PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

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Anyone know what the capital of Denmark is?

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The Oz dunks never end.

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https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1544699393026260992?t=BLkjrbJ8leGi-V89A...

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Everyone plz rmbr, this isn't Fetterman making these tweets but his campaign staff. We don't really know how connected he is to the tweeter or how involved he is in the ideas for these "roasts".

According to staff it's a little bit of both. I doubt that Fetterman knew what a ratio was or is sitting in his recovery making Photoshops but it's not hard to load up a meme template and throw together a meme

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Meanwhile in the real world...

While John Fetterman is either too busy posting memes on Twitter or going out on the street with his shotgun.. Dr. Mehmet Oz spends his days visiting businesses talking about real world issues that affect people.. actually talking to people

https://twitter.com/DrOz/status/1545404524717899778?cxt=HHwWhIC8ocbOsPIqAAAA

Hoes mad

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Forgive my linking yet another Fetterman tweet but it appears he's recovered. Possibly out on the trail in earnest soon?

But the Ozcrats told me that he would be in no condition to campaign and he needed to step aside for Lamb!

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Glad to see a national hero joining the team!

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This man just lives to get destroyed on Twitter daily

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This thread is frankly the epitome of the “candidate quality” meme. Now Oz could lose, but it’d have more to do with Republicans having an underperforming election performance than any vague things about “appeal” or whatever. Also I’m not convinced a one dimensional campaign about Oz’s carpetbagging is exactly going to be successful for the Democrats. Lastly, Democrats are going to have to eventually face the attacks that many of Fetterman’s views are outside of the mainstream and letting these attacks just go unanswered while Republicans refine how they plan to present them is not exactly a wise strategy. I’d put this on the border of Tilt and Lean R, but if Republicans win the GCB by 4 or 5, they’re almost certainly winning here.

Conor Lamb lost the primary by 30 points

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This is even more pathetic than Lamb setting up a whole ass photoshoot at Pat's.

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It's not even like Oz is running from his beach house in South Jersey. For all the talk about Scott Brown's carpetbagging in 2014, he did fairly well in the border counties. They didn't really care about his carpetbagging because many of them were also Massachusetts transplants.

I could see this not mattering if Oz had actual ties to the Philly area, but this is a man who can literally see New York from his house.

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Oh boy, this isn't going according to plan. We have two avant-garde candidates who have no semblance of how to run a campaign. Fetterman is running memes while Oz is just being the Wizard Oz. It's anyone's guess who wins this one, but I'd say the winner will get under 50.

It really boggles my mind that people are looking at Fetterman's Twitter memes and thinking "wow this clearly must be all he's doing! there's no way that he's combining a savvy social media presence with effective TV advertising and a strong public persona through multiple forms of media!"

Yeah the cope in this thread is getting really bad. Some people are refusing to believe that Fetterman is simply objectively running a better and smarter overall campaign and Oz's campaign is literally more and more of a dumpster fire each day.

Spark is quite literally an Ozcrat. Don't give his sour grapes the time of the day. For all of my crotchety bullsh*t about Lamb and Hassan, I would never vote for the Republican. 

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Oh boy, this isn't going according to plan. We have two avant-garde candidates who have no semblance of how to run a campaign. Fetterman is running memes while Oz is just being the Wizard Oz. It's anyone's guess who wins this one, but I'd say the winner will get under 50.

It really boggles my mind that people are looking at Fetterman's Twitter memes and thinking "wow this clearly must be all he's doing! there's no way that he's combining a savvy social media presence with effective TV advertising and a strong public persona through multiple forms of media!"

Yeah the cope in this thread is getting really bad. Some people are refusing to believe that Fetterman is simply objectively running a better and smarter overall campaign and Oz's campaign is literally more and more of a dumpster fire each day.

It's interesting to see. I can't even pearl-clutch about "muh Lamb disunity". The actual Lamb supporters who were enthusiastic about him are backing Fetterman with the same energy!

For all the defenses you and Mr. X made of him, you both stated your defenses of Lamb well enough, your concerns with Fetterman, and still fought for him in the general as if Lamb won. As a Fetterman hack, I'm very glad to say I was wrong, especially about you, and I'm glad you're on our side.

It's only those who saw Lamb as a vehicle to stop Fetterman who are bitter.

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Man I'm happy to see the Oz campaign getting owned on Twitter so much but for real, where the hell is Fetterman.  Can he at least do a Zoom press conference or something so we know that he's still capable of speaking in complete sentences?  It's disturbing to me that despite all the heat his campaign has taken for his absence, they haven't even had him make brief appearances just to confirm he's doing ok.

The Corporate Cope Clique strikes again!

A lot of that thread is true, but why are we even talking about "KHive" or Conor Lamb supporters? 99% of Democrats have come on board. People need to start to learn to ignore these online fanbases that are literally just a few people. They don't represent more than a small # of anomalies.

Ideally this should be the standard, but it just looks incredibly hypocritical when the Democratic Party spent years holding up Bernie's most divisive supporters as emblematic of the movement. I'll try to keep it short in the interest of not derailing the thread but "real life isn't Twitter" feels very disingenuous and disrespectful after 2016, 2020, and Kennedy's Senate campaign.

Or seeing people like Hillary Clinton signal-boost someone who said they wouldn't vote for Fetterman in the general, or Biden trying to make Neera Tanden happen despite literally being toxic on Twitter herself. At a surface level it doesn't matter but the double standard applied to progressives definitely does and it made a massive step in radicalizing me.

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Fair in all parts. I would disagree with the assertion that Pelosi's endorsement was just business (Hanabusa and Lamb specifically). I think the Kennedy stuff was more of a proxy war between leadership and the Squad, but that's beside the point..

I'm less talking about relitigating primaries and more about the entire "Bernie Bro" narrative that the DNC peddled over 5 years. The movement's fringe was constantly held up as emblematic of my behavior despite evidence against that.

Stan culture is obviously going to be a thing regardless of who's running, as social media starts to center itselr. From Briahna Joy Gray and Nina Turner being #BernieOrBust to Hilary Rosen paternalizing Nina Turner to the Ozcrats in the KHive, some people are going to be lunatics. There aren't any repercussions that would come from face-to-face interaction.

The establishment created a lofty standard, where a candidate's "stans" need to be condemned and reined . Instead, the establishment has gone as far as to elevate those who participated in the toxicity! The double standard is undeniable.

While it's obvious that Bernie's surrogates that he elevated didn't help the image, this doesn't explain Kennedy. The "bullying works" tweet he cited as proof Markey supported bullying had 2 retweets and 20 likes, even after Kennedy cited it. The Bernie Bro phenomenon is a cheap, artificial attack used to paint progressives as outside the Democratic Party's coalition.

Yeah I don't want to derail this thread further but I think there should be a note that the Bernie Bros - online and in real life - was a much more bigger issue than any of these Lamb or KHive supporters. Those have been terminally online. The Bernie Bros thing was WAY more large online and in real life (just look at the 2016 DNC in person mess). That entire thing was just a different beast, and he rightfully, imo, got flack for that.

I'm not going to get into the dick-measuring contest about whose fans are the least toxic. You don't see BTS or Ariana Grande losing endorsements when their stans. You don't see Neera losing job opportunities when she's literally a stan herself!

I think it's very suspicious that stans suddenly become an issue when it's one ideology and one candidate they're supporting. Effectiveness aside, these people are impossible to control or condemn. I don't see any difference from Bernie centering Nina and Emhoff retweeting doxers or Hillary retweeting someone who regularly attacks Fetterman after the primary.

This type of talk minimizes and deflects from the issue of hypocrisy and isn't conducive to unity.

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Great news!

Glad to see our future President hale and healthy.

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It's like the Republicans are hell-bent on making Fetterman sound as cool as possible.

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I'm obviously not interested in using this thread to debunk the increasingly vague and hand-wavy mythmaking about "rigged 2016 primary" for the 25,000th time.  But I am tired of being told to "cope" or "cry harder lib" or "suck it, corporate whore" or whatever just because I'm genuinely concerned about Fetterman's health.

Frankly I'm tired of the implication that I don't support Fetterman. I am probably going to end up donating $1000 to Fetterman this year along with Hassan, Warnock, CCM and Kelly.  I am enthusiastically supporting his campaign, following it closely, and really hope that he wins. And although I would prefer Lamb in the Senate, I was perfectly fine with Fetterman winning the primary, because he is clearly the stronger candidate and more likely to win the seat, which is all that matters.  This is a stance that is consistent with my well-known principles, and I'm insulted by the implication otherwise.

Once again, you did a far better job of making the implication than I did. You said yourself, "If he's not going to be capable of campaigning then he needs to surrender the nomination and let the state party put Lamb on the ballot."

This is not a paraphrase. This is not me editing out context. These are your exact words. I don't doubt you'd vote for and donate to Fetterman, but it's easy to doubt you're fully behind him when the only things you have posted in here have been copium binges about Fetterman's stroke.

So stop with this crap, sawx.  We're both on the same team here.  It's not unreasonable for me to be concerned about a guy who is in very poor health, had a stroke ten weeks ago, and hasn't put in a single significant public appearance since or provided any tangible updates regarding his recovery.  This is something that is already having a real impact on the race and will become much more significant if he's still in the hospital in September.  I'm not hoping for that to happen, obviously, but it is something that is worth talking about.

The fact of the matter is that the doctors said he could be off the trail until July and Fetterman is scheduled to return to in-person campaigning tomorrow at a fundraiser. The campaign is still in its early stages as well. I have no problem with Fetterman playing it safe and tweeting while Gisele stays Weekend at Bernie's-ing the campaign or whatever so he's healthy for the campaign season. You come off as less of "Democrat expresses concern about Fetterman's health/campaign" and more of "Here's how Lamb can still be Senator".

Health discourse has been historically used to concern troll and attack someone they don't like. It was cringe when Bernie supporters did it to Hillary, it was cringe when everyone did it to Bernie, and it's cringe now.

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Oh my god I think I can do a better Photoshop than Oz's campaign.

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Once again, you did a far better job of making the implication than I did. You said yourself, "If he's not going to be capable of campaigning then he needs to surrender the nomination and let the state party put Lamb on the ballot."

This is not a paraphrase. This is not me editing out context. These are your exact words. I don't doubt you'd vote for and donate to Fetterman, but it's easy to doubt when the only things you have posted in here have been copium binges about Fetterman's stroke.

Yeah -- if he can't campaign, then he should stand aside for someone who does.  I HOPE THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN because I think he's the better general election candidate, provided he can actually campaign.  It's not concern trolling, it's not trying to manufacture an issue, this is a real problem that people are talking about.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?  Why do you constantly have to post juvenile 4chan crap like "copium"?  For Christ's sake when are you going to grow up?

Once again, you did a far better job
The fact of the matter is that the doctors said he could be off the trail until July and Fetterman is scheduled to return to in-person campaigning tomorrow at a fundraiser.

My recollection is that it was only supposed to be a short period of time at first, then a couple weeks, then the end of June, then July.  All interspersed with periods of "we don't actually have a deadline."

You come off as less of "Democrat expresses concern about Fetterman's health/campaign" and more of "Here's how Lamb can still be Senator".

I don't even want Lamb to be the candidate if Fetterman has to stand aside.  He's not a good statewide candidate.  If we have to replace him with an emergency stand-in then my preference would be Governor Wolf, if he's willing.  Again, I hope this does not happen, and based on the fact that he's now planning to appear in public, it seems like it won't, so this is all moot.

Yes, that's what happens with stroke timelines. People err on the side of caution so we actually don't end up in this situation where Fetterman isn't able to campaign. He trusted the doctors who gave him the best medical advice he could get, he rested, and now he's ready to campaign.

If you want to drag your personal problems with me into random threads again like you love to do so much, go right ahead, but that doesn't change anything I said or make me any less wrong.

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Right, but the point is that Oz/GOP has been trying to "John Fetterman is a Bernie Sanders radical socialist" and it is not, and has not been, working this entire time.

It seems like while the attack CAN be effective, it generally needs to be done against Dems that aren't very well defined. Fetterman is already a pretty defined figure in PA and has his own character and stuff so attacks like this tend to be less effective. A better strategy could be to attack his current character somehow.

Attacking an opponent as socialist works better in Dem primaries than in general elections.

Even then, it didn't work when Lamb or Big Pharma did it.

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Again - there's a massive difference between coming over from Cherry Hill or even Trenton and living in a NJ mansion with a view of the NYC skyline.

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Yep - after a bit of Google-fu, his domicile is his father-in-law's business.

It's also misspelled on his form.

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This was the ad that I posted the Politifact about. Honestly, other than it being actual false information, the ad is comical more than anything, since you hear them say "Fetterman wants to release 1/3 of prisoners" and it sounds so ridiculous you know that it's either a false quote or taken wildly out of context (which it is)

https://twitter.com/julianrouth/status/1555244403215712257

Is that something that normally happens? (A campaign asks stations to pull an ad for being grossly misleading)?

Not the first time from Fetterman's campaign - they pulled an ad from Big Pharma calling him a "self-described socialist" during the primary for lying.

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Oooh they mad


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