Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread v2 (pg 77 - declares victory in Iowa)

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This is disqualifying.

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1186405744146554882

At least Neera Tanden (who's actually had the best take on the Tulsi issue, fwiw) et al came at Beto with the same energy as Bernie.

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I see the anti-Bernie grifters on Atlas are at it again. Remember kids, it's okay to stand up for Tulsi if you're an establishment darling like Beto or Pete.

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I see the anti-Bernie grifters on Atlas are at it again. Remember kids, it's okay to stand up for Tulsi if you're an establishment darling like Beto or Pete.

Pete and Beto are disqualified in my view also. I know you thought you had a gotcha but no. Hillary didn't even say Tulsi's name and she has you all in a tailspin. Some of you all are so clouded by your hatred of Hillary Clinton that you can't see the facts smacking you in the face.

Good. That's all I needed to hear.

Even then, your gotcha's about as good as mine was. The Russians aren't exactly chomping at the bit to support Warren or Harris or Klobuchar or even Williamson. Hillary Clinton isn't stupid. Your idol knew what she was doing here and who she was talking about.

You should know by my posts that I'm not a Gabbard person. If the HIGOP was a functioning party, she and her father would be key figures in it. I even said I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary's theory turned out to be true. Then again, considering you're trying to pretend Hillary wasn't taking shots at Tulsi, you're being deliberately obtuse to try and land a punch.

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I don't think anyone is disqualified for "standing up" for Tulsi.  Hillary already took one for the team by calling her out.  Nobody else has anything to gain from joining the pile-on.  It's already now going to be really awkward if+when Tulsi runs third-party, and she'll be getting extra scrutiny every time she has yet another shady pro-Russian-imperialism moment.

The difference between Pete/Beto and Bernie is that Pete isn't currently paying Tulsi Gabbard to be a "fellow" in the "Buttigieg Institute", Beto's campaign chair hasn't advocated for Tulsi to be his VP nominee, and when Pete loses he probably will not tolerate Tulsi scurrying all over Fox/Breitbart/RT to use his loss as prime evidence of DNC corruption.  Or at least, if she does do that, he won't then allow her to speak for him at the convention.

We're not talking about Bernie's ties to Tulsi. Beto and Tulsi were friends in Congress, and Pete and Tulsi are linked from the veteran bloc. They're certainly more tenuous than Bernie's, but largely irrelevant to the conversation. We're talking about whether Tulsi is a Manchurian candidate, and we're talking about whether or not Centrist Atlas is concern trolling to dunk on Bernie.

I'd like to have a nice conversation about the merits of Tulsi Gabbard without bad-faith actors holding a 4-year grudge.

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Hillary Clinton is not my idol. I’m not being obtuse. Hillary Clinton did not say her name and the response from Gabbard and the people defending her has been unhinged. And acting like she’s above reproach because she’s in the army is a very interesting response from the leftists who despise the military any other day. LOL. Glad we agree that there could be some semblance to truth to what Secretary Clinton said. Most of Atlas is pretending that she’s spouting stuff she pulled out of her ass because they have rage boners for her. What she’s talking about is well documented and not far fetched at all.

I can't unsee what I've seen. I personally think she's more of a Trump plant (and if she loses her primary I honestly wouldn't be surprised if she outright endorsed him over Biden/Warren), but I'm not going to bash Hillary here for her rationale. Even if she was your idol, I wouldn't blame you.

I don't really see whether or not she brought up Tulsi by name as relevant, considering she's the only female Democrat promoted by Russia. It's a bit strange to acknowledge what Hillary's talking about while trying to say Hillary Clinton could have meant someone else. There's simply nothing there with the other female candidates.

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All of this is meaningless, since the NYT had some shoddy reporting and if you listen to her actual remarks, she said that the right was pushing Tulsi Gabbard as a third-party foil to the Democratic nominee.

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All of this is meaningless, since the NYT had some shoddy reporting and if you listen to her actual remarks, she said that the right was pushing Tulsi Gabbard as a third-party foil to the Democratic nominee.

Huh? Hillary did in fact call Gabbard a Russian asset.

I listened to the actual interview. She said the GOP was propping her up to be a third party.

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All of this is meaningless, since the NYT had some shoddy reporting and if you listen to her actual remarks, she said that the right was pushing Tulsi Gabbard as a third-party foil to the Democratic nominee.

Huh? Hillary did in fact call Gabbard a Russian asset.

I listened to the actual interview. She said the GOP was propping her up to be a third party.

I listened to it too, and she mentioned Russia supporting Gabbard, and then went on to say that Stein is *also* a Russian asset.

Fair enough. My points still stand, but that's a debate for another thread.

FWIW, Clinton's spokesperson admitted that she meant Gabbard.

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I'm wondering why he has not dropped out with his health problems

If CC Sabathia can pitch a full season of baseball after getting a stent without further heart problems, Bernie Sanders will be fine.

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yeah not even gonna try and defend this ish

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On the bright side, he didn't handle it as horribly as Diet Hillary.

If only Tamir Rice and Botham Jean had jobs. **** outta here.

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So do we have any substantive rebuttals to this manufactured controversy, or are the usual suspects going to exploit this to attack Bernie?

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So do we have any substantive rebuttals to this manufactured controversy, or are the usual suspects going to exploit this to attack Bernie?

You mean, are the posters who keep saying "Bernie is a divisive jerk" going to post about it whenever he's a divisive jerk?

What would a substantial rebuttal even look like?  David Sirota insisting "it's not an attack, it's comparing records"?

It's a primary. Primaries are divisive by nature, but that's not particularly relevant to the argument at hand.

Here's a substantive rebuttal to what Bernie said: Elizabeth Warren was most likely just doing her job as a lawyer. She's not paid to advocate for her beliefs, she's paid to advocate for her clients. And if she wasn't, a lot can change in 25 years. Warren has a long history of advocating for working people, and using her record as a lawyer to draw a contrast is foolhardy at best.

There we go: A defense of Elizabeth Warren that doesn't attack or demean Bernie personally. I know this might be hard for you to believe, since your carefully-sculpted Twitter feed has told you differently for four years, but most of us aren't #BernieOrBusters. Most of us like Elizabeth Warren (with most of us having her as a 1b than a 2), and some of us even like your boy Biden. We just don't like bad-faith attacks on a fellow progressive (and considering your views on Warren herself, I have to wonder).

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/468278-manchin-says-he-wouldnt-back-sanders-against-trump-in-presidential-race

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said he would not back Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in a 2020 presidential match-up against President Trump.

Manchin told Fox News he would “absolutely not” support Sanders’ agenda, calling it “not practical where I come from.”

When Fox News’s Neil Cavuto asked whom Manchin would vote for if the Vermont progressive ended up becoming the Democratic presidential nominee, Manchin responded, "Well, it wouldn’t be Bernie.”

Remember kids: vote blue no matter who only matters to you if you're on the left.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/468278-manchin-says-he-wouldnt-back-sanders-against-trump-in-presidential-race

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said he would not back Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in a 2020 presidential match-up against President Trump.

Manchin told Fox News he would “absolutely not” support Sanders’ agenda, calling it “not practical where I come from.”

When Fox News’s Neil Cavuto asked whom Manchin would vote for if the Vermont progressive ended up becoming the Democratic presidential nominee, Manchin responded, "Well, it wouldn’t be Bernie.”

Remember kids: vote blue no matter who only matters to you if you're on the left.

Moderates really need to learn to practice what they preach when it comes to “compromise.” Those who say that progressives need to “shut up and get in line” if Biden is the nominee better do the same themselves if Sanders or Warren win.

As I said before, truly Orwellian stuff from the center. Submission is unity. Paternalism is allyship. Misogyny and sexism are civility. Two years of empty words are resistance, and so is a single vote after eight years of obstruction that was almost twelve. Meanwhile, fighting for our principles your entire life means you're a Republican agent if you run against their candidate. And who could forget - voting for Stein or Johnson over people like them makes you an enemy, but voting for Trump against a leftist is independent leadership.

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Dump Trump!

Flush Trump!

Traitor Trump!

Or anything besides their tired old sh**t.

Mirroring Democratic rallies after the Magat Nazi sh**tshows is not a good direction to go in I think.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287334579#post17

Imagine taking literal Internet forum comments as serious punditry lol

Christ knows I disagree with MacArthur, but at least he doesn't get his political takes from the equivalent of YouTube comments.

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>Mayo Pete

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National Nurses United, the country’s largest nurses union group, will endorse Sen. Bernard Sanders for president this week, the group announced on Tuesday. “We need a president who makes it easier for us to stand together and hold our employers accountable for putting people above profits,” said NNU President Jean Ross. Ms. Ross cited Mr. Sanders’ support for a universal “Medicare for All” health care system, as well as his position on other issues such as climate change and labor rights.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/12/bernie-sanders-receive-endorsement-nurses-union-gr/

"I don't support — a mandatory buyback is essentially confiscation, which I think is unconstitutional," he replied. "It means that I am going to walk into your house and take something whether you like it or not. I don't think that stands up to constitutional scrutiny."

Sanders shared his gun control plan, which included taking an adversarial stance against the National Rifle Association, increasing background checks and banning the sale of assault weapons. "We cannot allow the NRA to dictate policy because they've intimidated [President] Trump and they've intimidated the Republican party," he added. "I'm not going to be intimidated by them."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernie-sanders-gun-buyback-confiscation-iowa-rally

Whenever NNU does something, it's just RoseAnn DeMoro.  NNU members have wanted her gone for years.
She endorsed and campaigned for Jill Stein in 2016.
NNU also operates a Super PAC for Bernie.  They (well, just Dictator DeMoro) spent millions of dollars supporting him in 2016.

You do realize RoseAnn DeMoro has been gone for a little less than 2 years, right?

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National Nurses United, the country’s largest nurses union group, will endorse Sen. Bernard Sanders for president this week, the group announced on Tuesday. “We need a president who makes it easier for us to stand together and hold our employers accountable for putting people above profits,” said NNU President Jean Ross. Ms. Ross cited Mr. Sanders’ support for a universal “Medicare for All” health care system, as well as his position on other issues such as climate change and labor rights.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/12/bernie-sanders-receive-endorsement-nurses-union-gr/

"I don't support — a mandatory buyback is essentially confiscation, which I think is unconstitutional," he replied. "It means that I am going to walk into your house and take something whether you like it or not. I don't think that stands up to constitutional scrutiny."

Sanders shared his gun control plan, which included taking an adversarial stance against the National Rifle Association, increasing background checks and banning the sale of assault weapons. "We cannot allow the NRA to dictate policy because they've intimidated [President] Trump and they've intimidated the Republican party," he added. "I'm not going to be intimidated by them."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernie-sanders-gun-buyback-confiscation-iowa-rally

Whenever NNU does something, it's just RoseAnn DeMoro.  NNU members have wanted her gone for years.
She endorsed and campaigned for Jill Stein in 2016.
NNU also operates a Super PAC for Bernie.  They (well, just Dictator DeMoro) spent millions of dollars supporting him in 2016.

You do realize RoseAnn DeMoro has been gone for a little less than 2 years, right?

Actually, I didn't know that.  She still acts like she's in charge of it so I just assumed she was.  Learn something new every day.

Yeah, she's developed her own brand now.

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I argued that decade old tweets from teenagers don't matter, not that homophobia doesn't matter.

James Gunn wants to have a word with you.

He was rehired. Next customer, please.

Don't bother arguing with them. When MacArthur, Lyndon, and Monroe act out (especially with the latter), it's never about them. MacArthur couldn't be at fault for slandering HockeyDude, just like the Harris campaign wasn't wrong for disrupting Bernie's speech at the CADP convention. If they were ever wrong, it never happened.

And if it did, it wasn't that bad.

And if it was, it's not a big deal. You were just overreacting.

And if it is, it's not their fault. You had it coming because you're a piece-of-**** Bernie Bro who was part of the Hillary slander in 2016.

Never have I seen a cabal of people utterly devoid of personal accountability on this forum. Any sort of wrong they do is justifiable because of 2016 and Bernie Bros and whatever straws they can grasp at to absolve themselves of any responsibility for their actions. But then again, considering how their candidate's been acting in the news lately, it's no wonder they act like this.

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https://twitter.com/AnnieGrayerCNN/status/1203809357923639296?s=19

My king is alive.

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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1204148636579483654?s=19

He's such an asshole.

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It's crazy to see the New York Times actually printing some positive stories about Bernie lately. I wonder what got into the water over there?

Of course, MSDNC is still on their gaslighting, victim-blaming bull****.

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When establishment Democrats attack them unprovoked, can you really blame them?