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palandio
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« on: August 28, 2018, 02:54:23 AM »

wasn't this the town with the highest Afd vote with like 40%?

No, "only" 24.3%, which is below the average of Saxony (27.0%).
The highest AfD vote was in Dorfchemnitz, which is a small village about 20km from the city.

My impression is that once again we're playing the far-right's game. Now that everyone (rightfully) speaks out against the far-right aggression, the far-right can once again present itself as the only political area that talks about the increase in knife-stabbings, etc.
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2018, 06:58:42 AM »

Well that's sad but unsurprising,
The left hardly ever make the positive case for immigration, the benefits and positive contribution immigrants offer,
while the far right been generalising and scapegoating immigration for the ills of society, many untruths sprouted by the right, left unchallenged by the left.
Hence the public is anxious about immigrants and immigration,

In England places with lowest level of migration tend to be the areas most skeptical about migration, while areas with highest level of migration tend to have positive views toward immigrants, unfortunately it's the fear of the other and the unknown, and false perceptions whats causing this...

Until the political establishment particularly the left start to make the positive case for immigration and spell the economic and social benefits migrants contribute to the country, nothing will change and people will remain sceptical about migration.

I genuinely think Merkel meant well when she invited the refugees, however lack of preparation and high number of people crossing the Mediterranean was overwhelming, and the failure to have a united front all didn't go well...

Oh, the positive case has been made.

The thing is that when something like a fatal knife-stabbing occurs and unsurprisingly the two perpetrators are young Arab men, the positive case for the immigration of exactly these two people is hard to make. Immigration can have both positive and negative effects, sometimes the effects are mostly very negative. Of course there might be solutions to the problem that go beyond "don't let them in" or "throw them out", i.e. better integration, assimilation, cultural re-education and economic perspectives for young Arab men, but that's where the discussion begins.
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palandio
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2018, 01:34:09 PM »

The asylum application of the arrested Iraqi had already been rejected and he was to be deported to Bulgaria in 2016.

And he has multiple priors for drugs, fraud, malicious mischief and dangerous interference into street traffic. Plus a suspended eight month sentence for aggravated assault (he is still on parole, the victims were other asylum seekers, by the way).

So once again we're not talking about the average asylum seeker, but about a known criminal who could have been treated appropriately, but wasn't.
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2018, 07:06:41 AM »

And once again there is a very thin line between
1. acknowledging that a noticeable part of recent asylum seekers is causing serious problems and
2. generalizing to all refugees or almost all of them. ("And some of them, I assume, are good people.")
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2018, 03:19:30 PM »

I'm generally not a friend of empty quotes and I don't always agree with you, coloniac, but I wanted to post something and before it was possible for me to post something, you had already written up basically all of what I wanted to say.

Regarding the concert, it is true that the initiating band Kraftklub, who are from Chemnitz, has never made a secret of their left-wing sympathies, but they are far away from extremism. Feine Sahne Fischfilet has been under surveillance for calling for violence against the police in the past. They probably are far-left. K.I.Z. are very provocative and clearly left-wing, if you don't understand their irony you might call them sexist and anti-white racist. Die Toten Hosen would strongly object to what I'm saying about them, but they are comfortable mainstream nowadays. Finally Marteria and Casper are quite inoffensive and barely political, as far as I know.
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2018, 11:18:19 AM »

As far as I know a part of the 2015/2016 peak can be explained by crimes related to the act of illegal immigration itself. But yes, there has been a significant increase for certain other categories of crime as well.
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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2018, 03:31:34 PM »

During one of the demonstrations on Sunday, August 27, there seems to have occurred an attack on a Jewish restaurant in Chemnitz, involving circa 12 perpetrators, probably far-right extremists.
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