Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v2

[Famous Mortimer]

If Trump actually uses that strategy, he will lose and he will deserve it. You aren't going to convince any serious person that the Democratic Party is white supremacist, least of all super woke POC. If the GOP wants to go after POC votes, they should go after racist Asians, racist Hispanics, and respectability politics Blacks, those are people they can actually win. They can't win the type of POC who is overly concerned about racism. Complaining about white racism and too many Blacks in jail is also going to turn off white voters in the midwest.

[Famous Mortimer]

Al Sharpton interviewed Biden: Joe Biden: Comments About Segregationists Taken Out Of Context; "They Didn't Print The Whole Deal"

Biden voted for Clarence Thomas, said that his state is a slave state and you must be Brown to work at 7-11. Biden has a history of racial insensitivity


Biden needs to apologize

No. Biden voted against Thomas.

Yes, he did, the committee voted 10-1 to advance the nomination to the full Senate, where on the floor he voted against it.  Even Kennedy voted to advance the nomination to the full Senate. Paul Simon was the only one to vote against advancing the nomination to full Senate.

lol@ Biden voting FOR a Black judge being evidence he's racist but if he actually voted AGAINST the Black judge, that's evidence he's not racist.

[Famous Mortimer]

Busing is a politically effective attack because Biden's actual position on busing was pretty defensible (even a lot of Black people would agree and not want their kids being bused miles away for hours a day) but it's a relatively complicated issue that can't be easily explained in 10 seconds during one of these typical American debates, especially not one with 10 people.

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Kamala Harris is objectively not African American, ethnically or culturally. African American is a very well defined ethnic group. She is not in it. She is Black, of African descent, and an American but she is not African American. Furthermore, her experience is very removed from African American culture. Same as Obama. Republicans will probably nominate an actual African American before the Democrats ever do.

[Famous Mortimer]

Am I objectively not white because I grew up in a heavily non-white area and have a black girlfriend, even though I'm of English descent and look pasty as hell?

What you're saying makes no sense, and it also ironically shows that race really is a social construct, if you can say someone who is clearly a black American isn't an African American because of her upbringing or whatever you're even saying.

I did not say that Kamala Harris is not African American because she was socialized like a white person. I said Kamala Harris is not African American AND she was socialized like a white person. She is not African American because she is half Jamaican, half Indian and not a descendant of American slaves. You can be an African American and be socialized like  a white person, absolutely but that's not Kamala Harris' situation. She is African American by neither ancestry or culture. Ancestry is not a social construct.

[Famous Mortimer]

I'll settle this: Kamala Harris is black.

Correct. I literally said this.

[Famous Mortimer]

Kamala Harris is objectively not African American, ethnically or culturally. African American is a very well defined ethnic group. She is not in it. She is Black, of African descent, and an American but she is not African American. Furthermore, her experience is very removed from African American culture. Same as Obama. Republicans will probably nominate an actual African American before the Democrats ever do.

I love it when racist white dudes think they can say whether someone is really black or not. as Del Tachi said, you're disgusting.

The most interesting part of the post was the comment: "Furthermore, her (Harris) experience is very removed from African American culture."
What does this even mean? And how does one (anyone) determine if another person is "removed from a specific culture?"

Do you think it's common in African American culture to be raised Hindu in Canada?

[Famous Mortimer]

Kamala Harris is objectively not African American, ethnically or culturally. African American is a very well defined ethnic group. She is not in it. She is Black, of African descent, and an American but she is not African American. Furthermore, her experience is very removed from African American culture. Same as Obama. Republicans will probably nominate an actual African American before the Democrats ever do.

I love it when racist white dudes think they can say whether someone is really black or not. as Del Tachi said, you're disgusting.

The most interesting part of the post was the comment: "Furthermore, her (Harris) experience is very removed from African American culture."
What does this even mean? And how does one (anyone) determine if another person is "removed from a specific culture?"

Do you think it's common in African American culture to be raised Hindu in Canada?

It doesn't make her any less black or American now does it?

It does not.

I literally said multiple times that she is Black and American.

[Famous Mortimer]

looks like Biden's held his lead, though he lost a few points. Hopefully, he gets his sh**t together for the July debates.

This. He also needs to do much better on a debate stage with Trump.

You seriously think Trump is going to agree to debate his opponent?

lol it's been three years. Can we stop pretending like Trump isn't a completely normal president.

[Famous Mortimer]

looks like Biden's held his lead, though he lost a few points. Hopefully, he gets his sh**t together for the July debates.

This. He also needs to do much better on a debate stage with Trump.

You seriously think Trump is going to agree to debate his opponent?

lol it's been three years. Can we stop pretending like Trump isn't a completely normal president.

Remember when he skipped a primary debate to hold a concurrent rally?

No. I don't remember but there were like 40 GOP primary debates and he took part in all but 1. There's only going to be 3 presidential debates.

[Famous Mortimer]

No. Lecturing the American public about racism is not a good electoral strategy. As it is we already get lectured by every television show, every movie, every commercial, every major newspaper, every university professor, and most mainline churches about this topic and yet Trump was still elected. It's honestly mind boggling to me that anyone thinks the reason Trump won is because people just weren't scolded ENOUGH.

[Famous Mortimer]

It is a legitimate argument, and even if you don't think Trump is racist and encouraging racism (unlike a majority of Americans) it's a stretch to then presume Biden is insulting Trump voters. If he were to make statements like the 'basket of deplorables' then that could be unwise. Unless you think pointing out character issues in a candidate insults anyone who ever considered backing that candidate (which is a ridiculous view of course, and it goes against established political logic and would for instance make Trump dumb for attacking Hillary so much when he wasn't dumb there), this is a fine point for Biden and the Democrats to make.

You didn't say why it is smart politically to make it.

Why does any politician attack any opponent? Why did Donald Trump make such an 'extreme' attack that Hillary Clinton was a crook who should be locked up? Surely that's insulting not just her, but everyone who ever considered voting for her, and so would backfire on him? Your argument is ridiculous.

Trump's racism is legitimate to point out and a legitimate political weakness, Biden will lose no votes by pointing out Trump is a racist and highlighting this issue is a net winner for Biden-the facts and the public image are not on Trump's side here.

What has Trump said that is racist? Give me specifics.  Love it or leave it is not racist. How come Trump has been a public figure for decades yet him being a racist never came up till he ran for president? How come people who know him personally say he is not a racist? Giving dog whistles is not racism. Bill Clinton did that too and no one has ever accused him of being a racist.

Have you been living under a rock for the last 4 years, or what?
Let's just concentrate on your "Love it or leave it, is not racist" comment in your post. And guess what ... THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID.

This is a huge GOP deflection statement ("love it or leave it"), that holds zero water. You are either intentionally ignoring trump's true statement and using the "official GOP talking point," or all that you rely on for you daily news is Faux, and you really don't know the truth.
Here is what trump ACTUALLY Tweeted ...
"... go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came .."

He said this towards four Democratic congresswomen (all women of color), three of whom were born in the U.S.  So I ask you, where are these American citizens, suppose to "go back" to "from which they came"? Which country exactly do you think trump meant?
Because their skin is not white, I guess the Orange Bigot means that they should go back to where their parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents were born.
Do you think that is racist statement? (The answer is obvious, if you take-off the GOP horse-blinders.)

He was making a point that the nations they come from don't have nearly the opportunity the United states has and instead of constantly pointing out every negative thing about the country maybe they should be grateful for the country they are in.  Was it poorly worded? Yes. No I don't think it's racist. Is it blunt? Yes. Racism is the belief that ones own race is superior to others. Trump has never said he believes white people are superior to other races.

Now you are saying it! You say "the nations they come from?"
What "nations do they come from?" Three of them were born in the US! Answer this. Be specific ... tell me the actual outside nation.

And one can make racist statements without your "superior to others" specificity. So stop with your "if it doesn't fit the Webster Dictionary definition, then you are not a racist" hogwash.
Good Lord, Fox has done a number in your head.

The fact you say you are a moderate is such a joke. Your hatred of Trump is sad and pathetic.

LOL.
Is that your answer? So now you are going to deflect from my question, and just call me names like a seven-year old? Answer the question.

The fact of the matter is that trump made a racist remark, and you went and did the exact same thing. Even when I made it crystal clear what trump did was wrong (and why), for some bizarre reason, you would go and make the same racist remark. Why would you do that? Seriously!
I'm starting to believe that there are many people in our society, that don't understand that their remarks are racist and possibly saying them by mistake (out of ignorance).

I'm the child? I am not the one using profanity on a political forum online to make their point. No the problem in this country is that racism is thrown out too frequently so when someone ACTUALLY says something racist it doesn't get the attention it deserves because people are so sick of hearing the racist charge thrown out everywhere. It's true that 3 of them were born in the United States but I do believe what Trump was trying to say was that they should leave the country if they are not happy with it he just worded it poorly. The FACT is 99% of the people that voted for Trump are not racist but good, hard working people, many who are former democrats that are upset with the status quo. They are not awful people. Until the democrats understand this they will not win another presidential election.

It would bet that a good chunk of Southerners who voted for Trump were racists, especially in states like Mississippi and Alabama. Also the term “racism” is used not often enough, in my opinion.

lol wut?

Social science departments at every university in the country teach that all white people are racist by default.

I fail to see how the word racist could be used any more than it already is

and it's always used against right-wingers. How are you a right-winger and think this?

[Famous Mortimer]

Honestly the latest debate has me a little unnerved. I’m on record here attacking posters who have said mean things about Biden and his age. I’m also on record of wanting a Biden/Gabbard ticket. I have wanted Joe to run since he was Obama’s VP. I was an enthusiastic supporter and he is the only Democratic candidate I would vote for.

However the last debate has shaken me. The fact that he seems to be stuck in another time mentally (the deeply embarrassing record player comment), the increasing gaffes which due to his age can be co strayed as evidence of senility, the way his speech has devolved in many cases to Trump-esque word salad - I feel my resolve weakening and my support declining from “enthusiastic” to “cautious.” I do not want Warren or any of the rest but I feel like if Biden is the nominee there’s a good chance he’ll lose and as someone who likes Biden personally I don’t want to see a great career like his end in defeat to Trump.

I also don’t know who else I’ll support because I feel the rest of the candidates are too far socially left for me.

Anyone else in a similar situation?

Klobuchar is too far left for you?

Klobuchar has the same positions as all the other candidates.