A Political Fable 2: A Good Day to Vote Hard

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YES palin! Hopefully she gained some dignity and respect!

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DEMS: 1st choice: Joe Kennedy III, 2nd choice: Julian Castro, 3rd choice: Tulsi Gabbard

REPS: 1st choice: Sarah Palin, 2nd choice: Scott Walker, 3rd choice: Eric Cantor

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Walker/Rubio anyone?

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Hmm... This is a tough one with the Republicans... Rubio, Walker, Palin or Scott...

I predict a West Wing 2006 Election happening with Castro, Grimes and Gillibrand...

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Hmm... This is a tough one with the Republicans... Rubio, Walker, Palin or Scott...

I predict a West Wing 2006 Election happening with Castro, Grimes and Gillibrand...

Are you comparing the candidates, or the idea of a brokered convention? If you are comparing the candidates, I think the comparison is weak. Russell was a seasoned politician viewed as next in line, Hoynes was a politican marred by scandal, and Santos was a young, inexperienced ethnic politician with incredible oratory skills who ultimately won. The obvious comparison here is the 2008 Democratic Primary with Russell being Clinton, Santos being Obama, and Hoynes being Edwards. And of course, there are more comparisons: Santos picking Leo, a seasoned party insider to balance his youth, race, and inexperience, is similar to Obama picking Biden. Vinick, an older, long-term Senator Maverick from a western state lines up nicely with McCain, and Vinick picking Russell, a socially conservative Governor from a small state rich in a natural resource, aligns with McCain picking Palin. In this timeline, Castro has been a Governor for 6 or 10 years (can't remember if he was elected in 2014 or 2018), Grimes has been a Senator for 4-10 years (can't remember if she was elected in 2014, 2018, or 2020), and Gillibrand has been an incumbent Senator for 14 years. None of them are marred by scandal, none are viewed as next in line, none are super inexperienced, etc. So the Santos/Russell/Hoynes comparison is not there. If you are talking about the possibility of a brokered convention, then yes, that's a possibility.

I was thinking Santos = Castro, a Young, Democrat from Texas, Hoynes = Grimes, a not so popular Senator IIIRC,  and Russel = Gillibrand, a more likely presidential candidate that's giving Castro a run for his money... If anything its 2008 all over again... (oh and for bonus points, Palin = Vinick a westerner that is criticized greatly in her party because of her "extreme" views...)

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Hmm... This is a tough one with the Republicans... Rubio, Walker, Palin or Scott...

I predict a West Wing 2006 Election happening with Castro, Grimes and Gillibrand...

Are you comparing the candidates, or the idea of a brokered convention? If you are comparing the candidates, I think the comparison is weak. Russell was a seasoned politician viewed as next in line, Hoynes was a politican marred by scandal, and Santos was a young, inexperienced ethnic politician with incredible oratory skills who ultimately won. The obvious comparison here is the 2008 Democratic Primary with Russell being Clinton, Santos being Obama, and Hoynes being Edwards. And of course, there are more comparisons: Santos picking Leo, a seasoned party insider to balance his youth, race, and inexperience, is similar to Obama picking Biden. Vinick, an older, long-term Senator Maverick from a western state lines up nicely with McCain, and Vinick picking Russell, a socially conservative Governor from a small state rich in a natural resource, aligns with McCain picking Palin. In this timeline, Castro has been a Governor for 6 or 10 years (can't remember if he was elected in 2014 or 2018), Grimes has been a Senator for 4-10 years (can't remember if she was elected in 2014, 2018, or 2020), and Gillibrand has been an incumbent Senator for 14 years. None of them are marred by scandal, none are viewed as next in line, none are super inexperienced, etc. So the Santos/Russell/Hoynes comparison is not there. If you are talking about the possibility of a brokered convention, then yes, that's a possibility.

I was thinking Santos = Castro, a Young, Democrat from Texas, Hoynes = Grimes, a not so popular Senator IIIRC,  and Russel = Gillibrand, a more likely presidential candidate that's giving Castro a run for his money... If anything its 2008 all over again... (oh and for bonus points, Palin = Vinick a westerner that is criticized greatly in her party because of her "extreme" views...)

But Vinick was criticized within the party for his moderate views, not extreme ones. Also the Grimes and Hoynes comparison is off. First of all, we have no reason to believe Grimes is unpopular. And Hoynes had resigned the Vice Presidency due to a sex scandal, making his experience totally different than Grimes's. I think you're forcing a comparison that just isn't there.

True... Actually it is more like 2008 redeux than anything...

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Much as I love talking about The West Wing, Vinick's VP was West Virginia Governor Ray Sullivan.

Well thats a connection!

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Much as I love talking about The West Wing, Vinick's VP was West Virginia Governor Ray Sullivan.

Well thats a connection!

PolitiJunkie had accidentally called Vinick's VP "Russell" lol


And to clear it up, Grimes was elected in '14 and Castro in '18.

Okay... Hey I have a question... Where's Paul Ryan, how's he doing? And what about Cantor? And McDonnell?

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Cantor was assassinated on page 3.


Ryan had a failed campaign in 2016, and has since resigned to the House leadership track. He is currently House Republican Conference chair. I never even considered using McDonnell; I just assume that, like in real life, he left office amid toxic scandal in '14 and went to the private sector, never to be heard from again.

Oh yeah... anyways what about Walker? what did he do before the 2024 Election?

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Gillibrand/Castro would be very formidable.... but Id say the Carter dynasty should start right about now anyways I think Walker/Scott would be great.....

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That's a cool ticket! Toomey for VP? NICE!

I don't know what a Gillibrand/Castro sticker would look like, but here's a nicely fitting Walker/Toomey one... (I don't think that Photoshop or Paint has to be used for this one, but its an idea.... )

WALKER 20
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TOOMEY 24

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aw snap! this is crazy! (oh, and badgate, thanks for the vote )

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If Gillibrand/Castro is too close to call in states like Nebraska and Texas, its definitely gonna be a long night for the Republicans. . .

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I love this timeline... This series is so cool. I wonder how 2032 would look like...