OH-Sen 2022: So you’re telling me there’s a chance

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I don’t know whether Trump is just stupid, has useless advisers, or just naturally gravitates to other frauds. Vance is the most likely to lose a GE & the most likely to be disloyal should they both be in office together. Mandel, Timken actually believe in Trumpist lunacy, and Gibbons is a Rand Paul type who will go along with the isolationist stuff. Vance quite plainly believes in nothing, he’s like Lindsey Graham. There is literally no upside to this for Trump.

You clearly have very little knowledge about Vance or Ohio politics in general. Let me educate you briefly.

1. The Ohio senate race in the general election in Safe R. Not only is the state GOP by about 10 points generally, but it's a red wave midterm year. Whoever wins the GOP primary will win the general.

2. Vance is not the weakest candidate in the race. That quite easily goes to Mandel, who is well known for being fake and a fraud, in addition to being totally unserious. I can see why Timken or Gibbons might do better than Vance in a GE, but he's still not the weakest candidate.

3. Vance is very ideological, and more so than any other candidate in the race. While he may have joined it in the last 5 years, he really does hold a firm set of ideological convictions that fall under the National Conservative and Paleoconservative label. There's a reason why he is the favorite of ideologically driven right-wing institutions like Claremont, American Moment, and the American Conservative magazine, and why people like Tucker Carlson and Peter Thiel (who is very ideological himself and a known member of the National Conservative wing of the party) backed him very early on. Vance holds a very genuine ideology of paternalistic conservatism which is a far cry from the canned talking points and plastic nature of his opponents. There isn't a fake bone in his body, and even though he has drifted to where he is now over the past 5 years, it was a genuine shift and not driven out of political conformity. His conversion to Catholicism which occurred concurrently proves this.

Nevertheless, I am overjoyed that Vance received Trump's endorsement, and i'm enjoying the cope from left wingers and establishment Republicans alike.

If you think Vance (and Thiel) care about anything besides their bank accounts I pity you.

If you think Vance, who left his cushy position of influence in DC to run for senate to much scrutiny in his home state, is driven by financial gain... I actually pity YOU.

He’s not just driven by greed. He thinks the entire world should be subjected to arbitrary and grueling competition, especially the most downtrodden and disadvantaged. He also believes he is owed this senate seat because he believes the strong should dominate the weak, as you can read in his truly blasphemous and profane autobiography. And because he believes this, he also is happy to do the bidding of the powerful men who own him like Peter Thiel, and now apparently Donald Trump.

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A good read on the plot to turn the US into USSR and big money potentially flowing into cultural commentators who used to be leftists but are now conveniently fascists. As Vance states, the GOP will need to get “pretty wild,” which means nothing should be left to the imagination if you’re a student of history, fascists, and authoritarians: coups, genocide, etc.

“I think Trump is going to run again in 2024,” he said. “I think that what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice: Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people.”

“And when the courts stop you,” he went on, “stand before the country, and say—” he quoted Andrew Jackson, giving a challenge to the entire constitutional order—“the chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.”

This is a description, essentially, of a coup.

“We are in a late republican period,” Vance said later, evoking the common New Right view of America as Rome awaiting its Caesar. “If we’re going to push back against it, we’re going to have to get pretty wild, and pretty far out there, and go in directions that a lot of conservatives right now are uncomfortable with.”

Any sane person should not be voting for these people. The cynic in me knows voting is not the way to stop these folks, as we have seen, since authoritarians by nature are unafraid to use force. The Justice Dept has failed us.

I read the article and agree 100% with the Thielites.

Also from extensive reading about Vance and his political transformation, his change of mind regarding Trump seems 100% genuine, meaning he will probably not just become a generic R in the Senate like some predicted.

He will be exactly who his donors want him to be, and pretending otherwise just because he said some pretty words about freedom is beyond delusional at this point. It's dangerous.

It's also delusional to think anything J.D. Vance, a famewh*** who got rich doing poverty minstrelry about his own family and lapdop of a billionaire who wants to bathe in the blood of virgin boys, does is "genuine." He is as authentic as the hormones he would let major corporations put in all of our food, or as Trump's silicate hair, which J.D. would also let corporations put in our food. Because he is a flatworm whose sole purpose is to worship power

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Tim Ryan would be the perfect candidate to run against a establishment free trader like Dolan, Mandel or Timken.
Unfortunately for Ryan, his schtick won't work as well against someone who is even more protectionist than him, and who can appeal to economically nationalist voters while still appealing to the culturally conservative. Vance's advantages as a candidate cancel out Ryan's.

Nobody cares about that. Unlike mandel, he has to defend being funded by an evil, gay billionaire. JD Vance isn’t an exceptional GOP candidate, and we are prolly about to find out he is the weakest. Man, between this and Oz, you’d think the GOP doesn’t care about winning. But yes, this race is still to their advantage.

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Vance is too far right for this seat

I don't think so. Mandel would've 100% won because ppl don't care about "ideology"

JD's problem is that he is a documented soy boy suddenly running as a Trump Republican, notably funded by a billionaire whose hobby is collecting the body fluids of white, young men so he can attain immortality. He's a phony and everybody knows, which is why he couldn't even muster 1/3 of the primary vote even with $$$$ and the fuhrer's endorsement

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I am still very skeptical that Ryan can win, but even Ohioans aren't programmed little robots who just respond to national conditions.

JD Vance is just about the worst candidate they could come up with--MAGA extremist positions that will alienate educated but otherwise conservative voters coupled with Ivy League snobbery that will alienate working class people. Do we really think this guy is gonna get Trump like support from union workers? I have doubts.

People always forget that while JD was being nationally feted for his book, actual Appalachians were pretty pissed off about how it made them look. He's a phony just like Dr. Oz. The only question is how many Ohioans will hold their nose and vote for him bc they are against the democrats? Most certainly enough to get by, but definitely not enough to make this race safe for Republicans (yet)