North Carolina 2020 Redistricting

[Schiff for Senate]

I never want to hear again how the gop has a systemic bias in its favor

NY can have a 22-4 map and get away with it

Oregon can get away with its bs

Illinois can get away with its bs

These rulings always go in one direction. Always.

OR's map is hardly a gerrymander. Not nearly as bad as OH, NC, TX, GA, TN, to name a few. And all due respect, you are either blinded by partisanship or just blind if you think OR's map is even comparable to NC's (rejected!) map.

[Schiff for Senate]

Oregons map is pretty close to NC. Both were clean but still quite brutal gerrymanders with merely 1 or 2 extra county splits.

Nope, they weren't even comparable.

The gerrymander in OR is tame, if there is one at all. 4-2 in OR is blantantly beneficial to the GOP and would require actively trying to carve a second red seat. Maybe 4-1-1 is fairer than 5-1, but honestly, neither of them are that bad.

NC, on the other hand...If you ask me the maps used in the 2020 elections (8-5) were about fair. Instead, the NCGOP - whose congressional maps have now been struck down thrice by various courts over the past decade - decided to kill the possible fair combinations (8-5-1 or even 8-6) and went with a 10-3-1. The old maps that were twice struck down were 10-3. So this decision is based and completely justified. The NCGOP can keep getting their maps overturned unless and until they get into their heads that blatant partisan gerrymanders aren't flying anymore (and yes, I know blue states like IL, NY and MD have even worse gerrymanders, but NC has a much longer and more inflammatory recent history of gerrymandering).

[Schiff for Senate]

Oregons map is pretty close to NC. Both were clean but still quite brutal gerrymanders with merely 1 or 2 extra county splits.

Nope, they weren't even comparable.

The gerrymander in OR is tame, if there is one at all. 4-2 in OR is blantantly beneficial to the GOP and would require actively trying to carve a second red seat. Maybe 4-1-1 is fairer than 5-1, but honestly, neither of them are that bad.

NC, on the other hand...If you ask me the maps used in the 2020 elections (8-5) were about fair. Instead, the NCGOP - whose congressional maps have now been struck down thrice by various courts over the past decade - decided to kill the possible fair combinations (8-5-1 or even 8-6) and went with a 10-3-1. The old maps that were twice struck down were 10-3. So this decision is based and completely justified. The NCGOP can keep getting their maps overturned unless and until they get into their heads that blatant partisan gerrymanders aren't flying anymore (and yes, I know blue states like IL, NY and MD have even worse gerrymanders, but NC has a much longer and more inflammatory recent history of gerrymandering).

How is 4-2 blatantly beneficial? Draw a map in Oregon that keeps all of Eastern Oregon whole. It's most likely going to be 2 Safe D 1 Likely D in the Portland suburbs and 1 tossup and finally a Lean D or Lean R in the south. Also of course a Safe R eastern seat.

You know that Eastern Oregon alone doesn't even have enough people for 1 full congressional district, right?

Here's my very fair map of OR (with East OR all in one seat), where I didn't even look at partisanship and focused on contiguity and compactness: https://districtr.org/plan/110808 .....Okay, never mind, I thought I could view the districts' partisanship when I was done but apparently no, I can't.

Oregons map is pretty close to NC. Both were clean but still quite brutal gerrymanders with merely 1 or 2 extra county splits.

Nope, they weren't even comparable.

The gerrymander in OR is tame, if there is one at all. 4-2 in OR is blantantly beneficial to the GOP and would require actively trying to carve a second red seat. Maybe 4-1-1 is fairer than 5-1, but honestly, neither of them are that bad.

NC, on the other hand...If you ask me the maps used in the 2020 elections (8-5) were about fair. Instead, the NCGOP - whose congressional maps have now been struck down thrice by various courts over the past decade - decided to kill the possible fair combinations (8-5-1 or even 8-6) and went with a 10-3-1. The old maps that were twice struck down were 10-3. So this decision is based and completely justified. The NCGOP can keep getting their maps overturned unless and until they get into their heads that blatant partisan gerrymanders aren't flying anymore (and yes, I know blue states like IL, NY and MD have even worse gerrymanders, but NC has a much longer and more inflammatory recent history of gerrymandering).

How is 4-2 blatantly beneficial? Draw a map in Oregon that keeps all of Eastern Oregon whole. It's most likely going to be 2 Safe D 1 Likely D in the Portland suburbs and 1 tossup and finally a Lean D or Lean R in the south. Also of course a Safe R eastern seat.

Lfromnj is correct here. Give girlboss Kotek credit for this beautiful gerrymander, dammit!

Agree with all this, plus I'd also add that the 2020 NC map, while not a horrible gerrymander, has the configuration of 8 and 9 which is pretty underhanded. Plus some of the lines between the other GOP districts are very ugly for sort of unecessary reasons.

It looks more like 10 GOP seats with a few that are wavering but which are still reddish?

[Schiff for Senate]

tfw the map you drew refutes your own point

I wasn't even sure how to feel - it was just anticlimatic when I discovered they'd removed political data from OR for some reason (and yeah, I do admit DRA is much more reliable in this regard).

[Schiff for Senate]

https://districtr.org/plan/128823

Unrefined/unfinished blue gerrymander in NC that should deliver the Democrats 8 seats. I still need to fix some things, but the general point is more or less clear.

EDIT: Didn't want to bump an old thread just to share this, but yesterday, I made a (if I may say so myself) very efficient 9-5 Democratic gerrymander for NC. Unlike Districtr's, this map is 100% done - no precincts left unassigned, all districts totally contiguous, very low population deviation. I was also better in this map with county splits that in the Districtr one, for sure (it helps that I used to the "County" option to paint the districts first, and then after that split counties as needed - that way I was aware of, and considered, country boundaries and avoided splitting counties too crazily). This map was also more compact than the Districtr one. But my biggest accomplishment here - and something which, as far as I remember, I've never tried or even thought of before - was creating a blue district in western NC by placing Asheville and Winston-Salem in the same district. In the Districtr map, I split Mecklenburg County (Charlotte) up three ways (and a tiny part was in another district - so Mecklenburg was split between 4 districts, really three)...one which also included Asheville, another which headed east to take in Fayetteville and the Lumbee area, and a third which was Charlotte and its northern suburbs. In this map, I was able to increase the Democratic seats by one because Asheville+Winston-Salem was one blue district, and Charlotte still produced three blue seats: two in the Charlotte area, and another which went into the Robeson County area + Fayetteville. Anyway, without further ado: https://davesredistricting.org/maps#viewmap::3208c8ba-48cd-4036-96a1-c1ff663eedbb.

DISTRICT ONE (Charlotte area - parts of Mecklenburg and Union Counties)
2020 GOV: Cooper+21.2
2020 PRES: Biden+18.8
2016/2020 CPVI: D+6.77
2012/2016 CPVI: D+3.62

DISTRICT TWO (rural west - all of Cherokee, Clay, Macon, Graham, Swain, Jackson, Hawyood, Transylvania, Henderson, Polk, Rutherford, McDowell, Burke, Caldwell and Wilkies Counties, and parts of Madison, Buncombe, Avery and Yadkin Counties)
2020 GOV: Forest+28.3
2020 PRES: Trump+36.0
2016/2020 CPVI: R+20.66
2012/2016 CPVI: R+18.59

DISTRICT THREE (suburbs and exurbs west of Charlotte - all of Alexander, Catawba, Lincoln, Cleveland and Gaston Counties, and parts of Iredell County)
2020 GOV: Forest+28.4
2020 PRES: Trump+34.5
2016/2020 CPVI: R+19.67
2012/2016 CPVI: R+18.25

DISTRICT FOUR (Greensboro and High Point and places to their west and northwest - all of Guilford and Stokes Counties, and parts of Surry, Forsyth and Rockingham Counties)
2020 GOV: Cooper+12.1
2020 PRES: Biden+5.2
2016/2020 CPVI: D+0.64
2012/2016 CPVI: D+0.16

DISTRICT FIVE (Chapel Hill, and just a bunch of places in the state's northern and central regions - all of Caswell, Person, Alamance, Orange, Chatham, Vance, Warren and Franklin Counties, and parts of Rockingham, Durham, Granville and Halifax Counties)
2020 GOV: Cooper+17.1
2020 PRES: Biden+11.0
2016/2020 CPVI: D+4.47
2012/2016 CPVI: D+4.65

DISTRICT SIX (swaths of territory quite a bit north of Charlotte - all of Davie, Rowan, Davidson, Randolph, Stanly and Montgomery Counties, and parts of Yadkin, Iredell and Moore Counties)
2020 GOV:  Forest+36.4
2020 PRES: Trump+44.8
2016/2020 CPVI: R+24.58
2012/2016 CPVI: R+22.74

DISTRICT SEVEN (Asheville, Winston-Salem, and a bunch of the state's western lands bridging the two cities together - all of Yancey, Mitchell, Watauga, Ashe, and Alleghany Counties, and parts of Surry, Yadkin, Forsyth, Avery, Madison and Buncombe Counties)
2020 GOV: Cooper+16.4
2020 PRES: Biden+10.7
2016/2020 CPVI: D+2.83
2012/2016 CPVI: D+1.52

DISTRICT EIGHT (Charlotte area - all of Cabarrus County and parts of Mecklenburg County)
2020 GOV: Cooper+27.0
2020 PRES: Biden+23.2
2016/2020 CPVI: D+8.72
2012/2016 CPVI: D+6.71

DISTRICT NINE (Durham County and parts of Raleigh area and land immediately to its north and south - all of Lee and Harnett Counties, and parts of Wake, Johnston, Durham and Granville Counties)
2020 GOV: Cooper+26.5
2020 PRES: Biden+20.9
2016/2020 CPVI: D+8.75
2012/2016 CPVI: D+7.74

DISTRICT TEN (a sliver of Charlotte proper and its eastern suburbs, as well as Fayetteville and those blue counties east of Charlotte near/bordering SC that have trended to the right in 2016 and 2020 - all of Anson, Richmond, Scotland, Hoke, Cumberland and Bladen Counties, and parts of Mecklenburg, Union, Moore, Robeson, Sampson and Pender Counties)
2020 GOV: Cooper+10.4
2020 PRES: Biden+3.2
2016/2020 CPVI: D+0.58
2012/2016 CPVI: D+2.73

DISTRICT ELEVEN (Raleigh area and much of the majority-African-American area in the northeast of the state represented by G.K. Butterfield - all of Currituck, Camden, Pasquotank, Gates, Perquimans, Chowan, Hertford, Bertie, Northampton, Martin, Pitt, Edgecombe, Nash and Wilson Counties, and parts of Halifax, Johnston and Wake Counties)
2020 GOV: Cooper+15.2
2020 PRES: Biden+10.6
2016/2020 CPVI: D+4.13
2012/2016 CPVI: D+5.31

DISTRICT TWELVE (Raleigh area - parts of Wake County)
2020 GOV: Cooper+29.4
2020 PRES: Biden+24.0
2016/2020 CPVI: D+9.01
2012/2016 CPVI: D+4.38

DISTRICT THIRTEEN (the southeastern coastal plains as well as the southern part of the NC coast - all of Columbus, Brunswick, New Hanover, and Onslow Counties, and parts of Robeson, Pender, Sampson and Duplin Counties)
2020 GOV: Forest+11.5
2020 PRES: Trump+17.8
2016/2020 CPVI: R+11.32
2012/2016 CPVI: R+10.59

DISTRICT FOURTEEN (eastern part of the state - all of Dare, Tyrrell, Washington, Hyde, Beaufort, Pamlico, Carteret, Craven, Jones, Lenoir, Green, and Wayne Counties, and parts of Wake, Johnston, Sampson and Duplin Counties)
2020 GOV: Forest+11.5
2020 PRES: Trump+17.8
2016/2020 CPVI: R+11.32
2012/2016 CPVI: R+10.59