Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread

[Zaybay]

Looking forward to all the BernieBros refusing to vote for some equally progressive dem when Bernie loses the primary.

Didnt happen in 2016, I really doubt it will happen in 2020.

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

Looking forward to all the BernieBros refusing to vote for some equally progressive dem when Bernie loses the primary.

Didnt happen in 2016, I really doubt it will happen in 2020.

[Bidenworth2020]

Looking forward to all the BernieBros refusing to vote for some equally progressive dem when Bernie loses the primary.

It's been repeated countless times, but I'll say it again: More Sanders 2016 supporters voted for Clinton that Clinton 2008 supporters voted for Obama.

OK? 2008 was a huge realignment for most old southern democrats, moving into the republican fold.

[Landslide Lyndon]

https://twitter.com/JediofGallifrey/status/1089291084000346112

Who is this guy and why should we care about his conspiracy theories?

[Storr]

Young and fresh-faced Beto O'Rourke will steal his shine!

O'Rourke's a ex-three term Congressman who's only qualification is that he made a race against Ted Cruz.

And Obama was a first term senator whose only qualification was beating Alan Keyes.

Yeah, if you can't spot the difference between O'Rourke and Obama, then I don't know what to do.

And no, I do not mean their skin colour before someone decides to call me racist.

Please inform us.

I love how GOTfan never answered this.

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https://twitter.com/JediofGallifrey/status/1089291084000346112

Who is this guy and why should we care about his conspiracy theories?

You know, former DNC chair Ed Rendell said he would support an independent Bloomberg run if Bernie got the nomination?

[MAINEiac4434]

Looking forward to all the BernieBros refusing to vote for some equally progressive dem when Bernie loses the primary.

Looking forward to all the establishment hacks flocking to the Howard Schultz/Michael Bloomberg independence ticket when Bernie Sanders crushes all comers in the Democratic primary.

[Bidenworth2020]

Looking forward to all the BernieBros refusing to vote for some equally progressive dem when Bernie loses the primary.

Looking forward to all the establishment hacks flocking to the Howard Schultz/Michael Bloomberg independence ticket when Bernie Sanders crushes all comers in the Democratic primary.

Is that why he is at 16% with universal name rec, behind creepy uncle joe?

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

I definitely won't be voting for him, it's time for someone new

[MAINEiac4434]

Looking forward to all the BernieBros refusing to vote for some equally progressive dem when Bernie loses the primary.

Looking forward to all the establishment hacks flocking to the Howard Schultz/Michael Bloomberg independence ticket when Bernie Sanders crushes all comers in the Democratic primary.

Is that why he is at 16% with universal name rec, behind creepy uncle joe?

I always believe polls one calendar year before the voters head to the Iowa caucus, they're literally the most accurate

[GoTfan]

Young and fresh-faced Beto O'Rourke will steal his shine!

O'Rourke's a ex-three term Congressman who's only qualification is that he made a race against Ted Cruz.

And Obama was a first term senator whose only qualification was beating Alan Keyes.

Yeah, if you can't spot the difference between O'Rourke and Obama, then I don't know what to do.

And no, I do not mean their skin colour before someone decides to call me racist.

Please inform us.

I love how GOTfan never answered this.

Probably because I have a life outside this forum.

If you can point to O'Rourke giving a Convention speech that was similar in reception to the one Obama gave in 2004, then maybe I'll listen.

I also don't remember Obama getting a 47% rating from the Chamber of Commerce, or GovTrack putting him near the centre of the Democratic party.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

I know that the stereotypical Sanders supporter might be a college kid with no previous investment in politics, but some of us have been involved with the Democratic Party for a while. I've seen plenty of people "loyal to the Democratic Party" fail to deliver on the promise of a progressive agenda time and time again, despite promises to voters.

So, I'm not going to wade through this thread because it's probably the same garbage I've been reading for the last two years, but this post jumped out at me and I wanted to make one point:

I won't speak for other people but as far as the Bernie-sticker-on-a-macbook stereotype goes, I think it's worth distinguishing between Bernie supporters and "BernieBros". Obviously Bernie had a coalition of voters that wasn't made up of a single demographic - it's self-evident that anybody who gets 46% of a nationwide vote will assemble a diversity of supporters.

The difference I've experienced, at least anecdotally in my own life but it fits in with a lot of other patterns, is that although Bernie supporters come from lots of different backgrounds, the intransigent and caustic BernieBro-types are all more homogeneous. This type of person tends to be a white male, predominantly younger (Millenial-age, but not exclusively), and in my experience at least college educated. The non-white, high school educated, and/or female/trans Bernie primary voters I've known were much more likely to accept the outcome of the election and vote for Hillary with little resistance. The obnoxious, aggressive Bernie supporters insistent on ideological purity were overwhelmingly white dudes who weren't used to not getting what they wanted. Spend a day on Twitter and the overwhelming majority of red rose douches you see will in fact be bearded, white-collared white men.

I won't speak for other people but I've never accepted the narrative that Bernie was solely the candidate of college students (although there's a reason why when he campaigned for Hillary he went predominantly to places like Ann Arbor, Madison, etc.) but when you're making the argument you're making it's useful to distinguish between the average Bernie supporter and the Bernie Bro. Same goes, it should be said, for the difference between Trump's Base and Trump Voters.

And for the record I've softened on Bernie in the last three years. Not my first choice for the nomination, and I still find BernieBros cancerous, but I like him more now than I did in 2016.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Looking forward to all the BernieBros refusing to vote for some equally progressive dem when Bernie loses the primary.

Looking forward to all the establishment hacks flocking to the Howard Schultz/Michael Bloomberg independence ticket when Bernie Sanders crushes all comers in the Democratic primary.

Is that why he is at 16% with universal name rec, behind creepy uncle joe?

I always believe polls one calendar year before the voters head to the Iowa caucus, they're literally the most accurate

So you believe that Sanders will in the next year increase his name recognition and subsequently his numbers.
I don't know but there might a problem with that strategy.

[TarHeelDem]

I did not support him in 2016 and my opinion of him as a leader has only deteriorated since.  He did an absolutely terrible job uniting his supporters behind Clinton, his record on gun control and Russia is abysmal, he clearly doesn't understand racism and misogyny, his ego is the size of Mars, and I believe it's incredibly disingenuous of him to ask to represent the Democratic Party when he hasn't even put in his time as a member like every other person in the field.

I'll vote and even organize for him (as I would any other Democratic nominee) if he's chosen, but as far as the primary goes he's in the bottom of the barrel with Gabbard for me. I'm especially interested in Warren, Castro, and Buttigieg, but please give me literally anyone else besides Saint Bernard or Ethnonationalist Tulsi.

[Jags]

I did not support him in 2016 and my opinion of him as a leader has only deteriorated since.  He did an absolutely terrible job uniting his supporters behind Clinton, his record on gun control and Russia is abysmal, he clearly doesn't understand racism and misogyny, his ego is the size of Mars, and I believe it's incredibly disingenuous of him to ask to represent the Democratic Party when he hasn't even put in his time as a member like every other person in the field.

I'll vote and even organize for him (as I would any other Democratic nominee) if he's chosen, but as far as the primary goes he's in the bottom of the barrel with Gabbard for me. I'm especially interested in Warren, Castro, and Buttigieg, but please give me literally anyone else besides Saint Bernard or Ethnonationalist Tulsi.

Is that what Peter Daou and Neera Tanden told you to do?

[TarHeelDem]

I did not support him in 2016 and my opinion of him as a leader has only deteriorated since.  He did an absolutely terrible job uniting his supporters behind Clinton, his record on gun control and Russia is abysmal, he clearly doesn't understand racism and misogyny, his ego is the size of Mars, and I believe it's incredibly disingenuous of him to ask to represent the Democratic Party when he hasn't even put in his time as a member like every other person in the field.

I'll vote and even organize for him (as I would any other Democratic nominee) if he's chosen, but as far as the primary goes he's in the bottom of the barrel with Gabbard for me. I'm especially interested in Warren, Castro, and Buttigieg, but please give me literally anyone else besides Saint Bernard or Ethnonationalist Tulsi.

Is that what Peter Daou and Neera Tanden told you to do?

I'm very much a freethinker, thanks, now **** off.

[Zaybay]

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I did not support him in 2016 and my opinion of him as a leader has only deteriorated since.  He did an absolutely terrible job uniting his supporters behind Clinton, his record on gun control and Russia is abysmal, he clearly doesn't understand racism and misogyny, his ego is the size of Mars, and I believe it's incredibly disingenuous of him to ask to represent the Democratic Party when he hasn't even put in his time as a member like every other person in the field.

I'll vote and even organize for him (as I would any other Democratic nominee) if he's chosen, but as far as the primary goes he's in the bottom of the barrel with Gabbard for me. I'm especially interested in Warren, Castro, and Buttigieg, but please give me literally anyone else besides Saint Bernard or Ethnonationalist Tulsi.
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My god.....

Its not true, its simply not true. Sanders' base went to Clinton 91-9, which is the best retention rate since 2000.

Seriously, Ive made this same comment about 3 times on this thread. Its simply not true.

[TarHeelDem]

Sanders' base went to Clinton 91-9, which is the best retention rate since 2000.

Seriously, Ive made this same comment about 3 times on this thread. Its simply not true.

I'm assuming from the 100% total there that the 91%-9% figure is between Clinton and Trump only and does not include Stein, Johnson, write-in votes, and abstentions.

[Rookie Yinzer]

My god.....

Its not true, its simply not true. Sanders' base went to Clinton 91-9, which is the best retention rate since 2000.

Seriously, Ive made this same comment about 3 times on this thread. Its simply not true.

What is the source for this by the way? I don't believe Sanders supporters went neatly 91-9 for Clinton and Trump.

And Sanders supporters could have stayed home because their leader kept perpetuating that the election was stolen from them and vowed to fight her nomination up until 2 weeks before the convention. He definitely sowed discord and to argue otherwise is disingenuous.

[Zaybay]

Sanders' base went to Clinton 91-9, which is the best retention rate since 2000.

Seriously, Ive made this same comment about 3 times on this thread. Its simply not true.

I'm assuming from the 100% total there that the 91%-9% figure is between Clinton and Trump only and does not include Stein, Johnson, write-in votes, and abstentions.

You are right, found the Stein/Johnson numbers

If we are to talk about abstentions, the percentage is 4%. So, out of the 100% of Sanders voters, 4% stayed home, 12% voted for Trump, 78% voted for Clinton, and 6% for a 3rd party.

 This puts Sanders voters below 2012 GOP voters, but above GOP 2016, 2008, 2000, and DEM 2008, 2004, and 2000.

So, still not really that much.

[Zaybay]

My god.....

Its not true, its simply not true. Sanders' base went to Clinton 91-9, which is the best retention rate since 2000.

Seriously, Ive made this same comment about 3 times on this thread. Its simply not true.

What is the source for this by the way? I don't believe Sanders supporters went neatly 91-9 for Clinton and Trump.

And Sanders supporters could have stayed home because their leader kept perpetuating that the election was stolen from them and vowed to fight her nomination up until 2 weeks before the convention. He definitely sowed discord and to argue otherwise is disingenuous.

Its easily searchable information.

Heres a graph of the numbers
https://twitter.com/b_schaffner/status/900375362604892160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7C...


Sorry, your narrative that the Sanders voters didnt vote en masse due to the fact that they didnt have their god emperor just doesnt line up with reality.

[Rookie Yinzer]

My god.....

Its not true, its simply not true. Sanders' base went to Clinton 91-9, which is the best retention rate since 2000.

Seriously, Ive made this same comment about 3 times on this thread. Its simply not true.

What is the source for this by the way? I don't believe Sanders supporters went neatly 91-9 for Clinton and Trump.

And Sanders supporters could have stayed home because their leader kept perpetuating that the election was stolen from them and vowed to fight her nomination up until 2 weeks before the convention. He definitely sowed discord and to argue otherwise is disingenuous.

Its easily searchable information.

Heres a graph of the numbers
https://twitter.com/b_schaffner/status/900375362604892160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7C...


Sorry, your narrative that the Sanders voters didnt vote en masse due to the fact that they didnt have their god emperor just doesnt line up with reality.

It's not just his supporters it's also about how his refusal to concede until 6 weeks after the last primary vote was held and perpetuating that the primary was rigged and stolen affected Clinton's image to the general electorate..... and no he didn't have to kiss her ass or not criticize her while they were competing but he continued to do it when he was mathematically eliminated and it was clear that Hillary was going to be on the ballot in November. Sanders's behavior affected the general, I don't care what graphs and figures you post.

ETA: Not saying he is THE REASON she lost or that she didn't do things wrong herself. Her loss was a death of a thousand cuts.

[Mr. Morden]

Sanders' base went to Clinton 91-9, which is the best retention rate since 2000.

Seriously, Ive made this same comment about 3 times on this thread. Its simply not true.

I'm assuming from the 100% total there that the 91%-9% figure is between Clinton and Trump only and does not include Stein, Johnson, write-in votes, and abstentions.

You are right, found the Stein/Johnson numbers

If we are to talk about abstentions, the percentage is 4%. So, out of the 100% of Sanders voters, 4% stayed home, 12% voted for Trump, 78% voted for Clinton, and 6% for a 3rd party.

 This puts Sanders voters below 2012 GOP voters, but above GOP 2016, 2008, 2000, and DEM 2008, 2004, and 2000.

So, still not really that much.

Wait, how did you go from 91%/9% to 78% Clinton / 12% Trump / 10% 3rd party or didn't vote?  What does the 91/9 represent?

Also, a later tweet in that thread:

https://twitter.com/aaron_strauss/status/900361632747896834

shows that 78% is lower than the comparable number for GOP 2008.  I don't know how it compares to the others without tracking down whatever original source this guy was quoting.

[TarHeelDem]

While only 78% of Sanders primary voters voting for Clinton in the general is alarming enough, one also has to consider how his behavior and characterization of her supported the decision of Indies (many of whom did not participate in the Dem primary) and moderate GOPers to hold their noses and vote for Trump or stay home altogether. Examining Sanders primary voters alone tells part of the story of his leadership but not a full one.

[Zaybay]

Sanders' base went to Clinton 91-9, which is the best retention rate since 2000.

Seriously, Ive made this same comment about 3 times on this thread. Its simply not true.

I'm assuming from the 100% total there that the 91%-9% figure is between Clinton and Trump only and does not include Stein, Johnson, write-in votes, and abstentions.

You are right, found the Stein/Johnson numbers

If we are to talk about abstentions, the percentage is 4%. So, out of the 100% of Sanders voters, 4% stayed home, 12% voted for Trump, 78% voted for Clinton, and 6% for a 3rd party.

 This puts Sanders voters below 2012 GOP voters, but above GOP 2016, 2008, 2000, and DEM 2008, 2004, and 2000.

So, still not really that much.

Wait, how did you go from 91%/9% to 78% Clinton / 12% Trump / 10% 3rd party or didn't vote?  What does the 91/9 represent?

Also, a later tweet in that thread:

https://twitter.com/aaron_strauss/status/900361632747896834

shows that 78% is lower than the comparable number for GOP 2008.  I don't know how it compares to the others without tracking down whatever original source this guy was quoting.

I was using a different source for the original numbers, one that didnt include abstains and 3rd parties, so just disregard the original.

Also, havent seen this source for 2008 GOP, very interesting. That would mean the GOP has generally been more united after a primary than the Dems(makes a lot of sense saying it out loud).