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MarkD
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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2024, 07:12:53 PM »

No, my parents did not raise me to be jealous of other people's bank accounts.
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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2024, 07:25:24 PM »
« Edited: May 08, 2024, 08:10:32 PM by Benjamin Frank 2.0 »

I presume this is being asked because right wingers have stopped referring to those they disagree with as 'politically correct' (that was actually a few years ago) when they then took up the term 'cancel culture.' Now, it's either 'woke' or 'woke Marxist' or just outright 'Marxist.'

Of course, I'm not a Marxist as I favor free markets, however, those who are critical of free markets and would rather have mixed markets or even markets dominated by worker owned firms (democratic socialism) aren't Marxists either.

Even people who are critical of free markets are not inherently Marxist in their thinking as these ideas did not originate with Marx (or, more accurately Marx and Engels.) Much of The Communist Manifesto defines 'communism' by what it isn't, which is mostly an attack on other communist or socialist ideas.

For instance, the first Paris Commune was in 1791/1792 which predates the birth of Karl Marx.

I believe the only idea that was originated by Marx/Engels was adding the Hegelian dialectic, that socialism/communism would come out of the conflict with capitalism and its failures and that socialism and then communism were a historical inevitability. Of course, I might not be giving Marx the credit he deserves for originating ideas because I think he was a horrible person, so I have a bias against him.

Marx himself like any good capitalist was a shameless self promoter.

Answer by Karl Marx to the question "Why did the chicken cross the road?"
Marx: It was a historical inevitability.
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« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2024, 07:32:42 PM »

No, my parents did not raise me to be jealous of other people's bank accounts.

It is interesting how envy seems to be wrong only when it comes to wealthy people. For instance, it seemed/seems our betters encouraged us to be envious of those who got to continue working at home after Covid.

Playing dumb, I've never understood why the only time people are called out for being envious is when they're envious of the wealthy.
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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2024, 07:45:33 PM »

No, but I respect his work.
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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2024, 11:21:40 PM »

No, my parents did not raise me to be jealous of other people's bank accounts.

It is interesting how envy seems to be wrong only when it comes to wealthy people. For instance, it seemed/seems our betters encouraged us to be envious of those who got to continue working at home after Covid.

Playing dumb, I've never understood why the only time people are called out for being envious is when they're envious of the wealthy.

It's also a particularly ridiculous assertion to levy at Marxism given that Marx and Engels came from well-off backgrounds and gave up a life of comfort to pursue their ideals.
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« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2024, 11:52:48 PM »

No ideology besides possibly Nazism has caused as much destruction and harm, so obviously not.

Capitalism has killed vastly more people in the world than Marxism or any socialist ideology

Name them
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« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2024, 07:36:18 AM »

It's also a particularly ridiculous assertion to levy at Marxism given that Marx and Engels came from well-off backgrounds and gave up a life of comfort to pursue their ideals.

Well, Engels didn't haha.
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« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2024, 10:18:29 AM »

We’re over three decades past the 1980s, so no.
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« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2024, 11:54:09 AM »

It's also a particularly ridiculous assertion to levy at Marxism given that Marx and Engels came from well-off backgrounds and gave up a life of comfort to pursue their ideals.

Well, Engels didn't haha.

I mean I know he was wealthy, but that's kind of my point: there are far easier ways to live for a wealthy industrialist than as an exiled radical.
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« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2024, 03:25:28 PM »

I feel that Karl Marx is more popular in the social science departments of federal and state universities in Brazil than in Germany (where he was born) and in England (where he wrote most of his books).
I had BA and MA degree in Economics at the University of Campinas (Unicamp). I had to read many chapters of the 3 books of The Capital in the Political Economy class in order to understand Political Economy and not only to learn the history of the Political Economy. Many professors had a Phd degree in universities in the US or Europe and they told that they didn't see similar interest in Marx's work.
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« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2024, 10:09:00 PM »

No, my parents did not raise me to be jealous of other people's bank accounts.

It is interesting how envy seems to be wrong only when it comes to wealthy people. For instance, it seemed/seems our betters encouraged us to be envious of those who got to continue working at home after Covid.

Playing dumb, I've never understood why the only time people are called out for being envious is when they're envious of the wealthy.

It's also a particularly ridiculous assertion to levy at Marxism given that Marx and Engels came from well-off backgrounds and gave up a life of comfort to pursue their ideals.

But a whole lot of people who do believe in Marxism ARE jealous of the rich, and that was what I was referring to, not to Karl Marx himself.
Besides, since when is jealousy an attribute solely used to describe feelings towards the rich? There's lots of jealousy in romantic entanglements. High school seniors get jealous of the guy who gets elected class president. The list goes on and on.
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« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2024, 01:08:21 AM »

No, my parents did not raise me to be jealous of other people's bank accounts.

It is interesting how envy seems to be wrong only when it comes to wealthy people. For instance, it seemed/seems our betters encouraged us to be envious of those who got to continue working at home after Covid.

Playing dumb, I've never understood why the only time people are called out for being envious is when they're envious of the wealthy.

It's also a particularly ridiculous assertion to levy at Marxism given that Marx and Engels came from well-off backgrounds and gave up a life of comfort to pursue their ideals.

But a whole lot of people who do believe in Marxism ARE jealous of the rich, and that was what I was referring to, not to Karl Marx himself.
Besides, since when is jealousy an attribute solely used to describe feelings towards the rich? There's lots of jealousy in romantic entanglements. High school seniors get jealous of the guy who gets elected class president. The list goes on and on.

I mean, yeah, I'm sure there are jealous and envious people (not the same thing btw) in every political movement. But associating any desire for economic redistribution with jealousy or envy is nothing but a lazy right-wing trope.
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« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2024, 07:42:20 AM »

no, MARXISM is for COMMIES !
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« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2024, 10:47:27 AM »

Overall i would say yes, even if there are some elements i dont quite resonate with.
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« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2024, 11:02:16 AM »

There is people who believe in the labor theory of value but otherwise are right wing.

Would you call them right wing marxists or what?
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