The US liberal establishment promoting left wing ideology yet again

[parochial boy]

Muslims need to pay for their deeds. It may help reduce terrorism. Most whites don't go around bombing things.  What white people did was in the past. That was then, this is now. 9/11 was 15 years ago, 21st century. We're still in the 21st century. Stop thinking about slavery. It's over. It's a stained past. Move on. What the hell more do you want Americans to do? Reparations will never happen we spend millions on welfare programs, year after year, and the problems in the inner cities still happen. What the hell more do you want America to sacrifice? Living in the inner cities? Taxing whites to the point of fiscal insolvency? What more?

This type of thinking will only cost Democrats more in 2017, 2018, and 2020. Democrats will be lucky to get 20% of the white vote by 2020.

Do you know what "cognitive dissonance" is?

[Suburbia]

Muslims need to pay for their deeds. It may help reduce terrorism. Most whites don't go around bombing things.  What white people did was in the past. That was then, this is now. 9/11 was 15 years ago, 21st century. We're still in the 21st century. Stop thinking about slavery. It's over. It's a stained past. Move on. What the hell more do you want Americans to do? Reparations will never happen we spend millions on welfare programs, year after year, and the problems in the inner cities still happen. What the hell more do you want America to sacrifice? Living in the inner cities? Taxing whites to the point of fiscal insolvency? What more?

This type of thinking will only cost Democrats more in 2017, 2018, and 2020. Democrats will be lucky to get 20% of the white vote by 2020.

Do you know what "cognitive dissonance" is?

Slavery was then. That was terrorism in it's own right. Right now, were facing fanatics. I get worked up. Either the U.S. needs to get out of the Middle East or we need to tighten immigration in our own country. i'm sorry, I get worked up easily. Slavery is over. It's over.

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Sick memes bro

[JA]

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

I'll just go through your points one by one

1. You don't like news articles appearing in right wing news sites like Breitbart.com. You presumably prefer left wing sources like CNN, WaPo or NYT. I know that's your preference but that's not really an argument against the substance of the report.

If the source itself is untrustworthy, then the article presented by said source is also likely untrustworthy. Breitbart is a news site that publishes undeniably bigoted, prejudiced, and conspiratorial articles. Why should I, or any sane person, trust what comes from them?

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Tancredo is an ignorant fool who has a long history of promoting xenophobic nonsense . Again, why should I, or anyone else, trust his judgement?

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I obviously didn't read it, nor did you, I presume, considering it's hundreds of pages long. So neither of us know exactly what's in the document's details. What we're left with is whether we trust the judgment of the source; you do, I do not.

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Again, the source itself is consequential. An untrustworthy source is one rightfully deserving of extreme skepticism. They have an agenda motivated by their political orientation. Arguably, so do university professors. However, at least the overwhelming majority of university professors, which are well educated on these subjects, are in agreement on most of these controversial issues. I think it's fairly clear whom should be more trusted.

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It's about the knowledge they possess of their subject matter. They are experts for a reason. If you want to call into question the entire foundations of knowledge within higher education, be my guest. At this point, modern society seems incapable of even coming to an agreement on what constitutes the truth anymore, so I doubt either of us would get far arguing with each other over that.

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What I said is that they teach and promote the truth, as best as it can be understood. If left wing politics happens to coincide with the truth, or is an outgrowth thereof, then how's that their fault or mine? It'd appear the problem then lies with those who object to the truth, as understood by the professionals. But again, you doubt even the foundations of their knowledge by alleging that they're stepped in left wing discourse. So, there's no common ground to affirm the truth; it merely becomes your truth and my truth.

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Of course every major society in history has had slavery; it has served the purpose of maintaining hierarchical social systems and supported countless economies. However, the exceptional nature of modern, Western slavery has been its uniquely racial character. Scientists didn't even begin considering a correlation between skin color and race until it was beneficial to economic and social elites to do so. The privileged in society conformed to this view as it justified their social order of exploitation of those deemed inferior, which European science was happy to "substantiate." Yes, America and Western nations did move to finally criminalize slavery and abolish it - a feat for which they should be lauded. But there are still questions whether or not it's abolition was merely a result of increasing productivity,  their replacement by machines, and the economic conflicts of industrialized society. It also persists as a notable problem because the justification of slavery - which rested on the social construction of race and its corresponding hierarchy - still persist in influencing and affecting 21st century society.

Also, I know that I was taught about the Barbary Wars in school. Just as I was taught about the enslavement of Europeans by numerous Muslim ethnic groups, including the Ottomans who captured Slavic women to include in their Sultan's harem because of their desirable beauty. But this did not come with a corresponding social construction of race, as had happened thanks to Western imperialism and slavery.

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Again, I've learned about this in university as well. I'm not sure what your universities teach, but either you've never attended or they're missing a lot of material for whatever purposes. But again, those forced relocations, while abhorrent and deserving of extreme criticism, were not resulting from a socially constructed explanation of justified racial hierarchy. Whites, especially the British, constructed a racial identity of Native Americans as one group of people who're merely savages, occupying a land without rights to it because of a lack of private property, thereby justifying their forced removal and theft of land for White benefit. Although forced removal was practiced by the Native Americans among each other, it was not on this same racist basis. The same applies to what occurred in the Soviet Union. They were forcefully moved, not due to a racist social construction of their identities, but their relationship with the Soviet government.

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Again, context matters. The justification within those systems of their abuses matters. They didn't socially construct races in those communist countries like they did in Western ones. Yes, what they did was abhorrent and a total violation of human rights without justification. Nor should those crimes be hidden or denied. But they must be put into context. And that context shows they were dissimilar in numerous ways; ways which make the Western cases worse. But it also raises the question of to what extent should crimes such as that committed by other cultures be examined by students in Western societies?

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White privilege exists insofar as White people of the same socioeconomic background as minorities experience better opportunities, freedom from harassment, and freedom from positive and negative prejudice. It's undeniable that's White people do benefit like that and are privileged over minority groups, institutionally and socially. The patriarchy also exists insofar as men hold more positions of power, more wealth, and are treated unequally to women socially. That a man's surname is adopted during marriage is even an example of patriarchy. So is the perception held by many that men being raped is somehow less real or serious than women being raped.

[JA]

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Great speech but just because you aren't disadvantaged doesn't mean you are privileged. Privileged are those who are in the top 2%, making $250k+ plus a year or went to the finest private schools. You can't tell 41 year old Joe Schmoe Associates Degree making $42,200 a year in Dayton, Ohio that he is "privileged".

He has the privilege of being a white man.  One who doesn't have to fear being killed by the police when under arrest for even minor offences.  And as a man, his opinion is more valued than that of a woman.  He has a ton of privilege.

OMG. You are literally insane. You are also a racist, sexist and a bigot.

People like you are why this world is so terrible.

No, the system which has fostered and excused such attitudes and behavior is terrible. It's the one that has cultivated racist, sexist, and bigoted views in privileged people, even without them fully realizing it.

Stop accusing people who you disagree with politically of being 'privileged'. And especially stop doing so based on sex and skin color. That's racist and sexist. You are judging people and their morality based on their ethnicity and gender. Racist and sexist.

And all it really is is typical socialist envy-ism.

It's especially dumb considering that you liberals control 'the system'. Liberals have complete and total dominance in our news media, cultural media, education system and bureaucracies. And don't even get me started on universities - which are so far beyond the pale as to be reminiscent of socialist indoctrination camps. You liberals talk about your 'safe space' (where you can pretend opposing opinions do not exists). Well I can tell you that Republicans certainly don't feel safe or included within your universities - they feel marginalized and even threatened if their political views become known.

Trust me, as a conservative in high school some 6 years ago I know what it's like to have liberal ideology spewed in my face and feeling like I couldn't speak out against it (especially from my English teachers.) And I'm in Texas.

But who cares? I'm a white male right? (Actually I'm mixed - my father was from Iran.) But thanks for judging me anyway.

Racist and sexist.

To acknowledge the inequalities persisted between people within our society based on race and sex, among other characteristics, is not racist or sexist. Nor is trying to resolve those inequalities. What's racist and sexist is pretending they don't exist.

Also, liberals often do control the systems of American society. No doubt about that. But change is often slow and incremental, it's incredibly difficult even for leaders and organizations to change individual mindsets and social attitudes of the public, and liberals often have their own biases as well. We're not a group of angels, nor do we all agree on every issue. The feeling of being an outsider you felt was attributable to your sustained and hostile ignorance of the inequalities and injustices in modern American society. That others acknowledge it and you proudly deny it will inevitably lead to social ostracism. It's unfortunate for you, but good for society as a whole - particularly it's disadvantaged members.

[JA]

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Great speech but just because you aren't disadvantaged doesn't mean you are privileged. Privileged are those who are in the top 2%, making $250k+ plus a year or went to the finest private schools. You can't tell 41 year old Joe Schmoe Associates Degree making $42,200 a year in Dayton, Ohio that he is "privileged".

He has the privilege of being a white man.  One who doesn't have to fear being killed by the police when under arrest for even minor offences.  And as a man, his opinion is more valued than that of a woman. He has a ton of privilege.

Do you hate being a white man? Are you a white guilt person? Minorities need to take more responsibility. Blaming the whites for everything is getting old. America needs to come together as a WHOLE to fix these problems, regardless of who is in charge.

What makes you think I'm a white man? How do you know I'm not an African American man or a Hispanic woman? I don't recall having ever stated by race or gender on this forum. And just as you say minorities need to take more responsibility, I'll say people with privilege need to acknowledge their privilege and help work to decrease inequalities in our society for everyone's benefit. Not just say "what's in the past is history, move on."

[Suburbia]

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Great speech but just because you aren't disadvantaged doesn't mean you are privileged. Privileged are those who are in the top 2%, making $250k+ plus a year or went to the finest private schools. You can't tell 41 year old Joe Schmoe Associates Degree making $42,200 a year in Dayton, Ohio that he is "privileged".

He has the privilege of being a white man.  One who doesn't have to fear being killed by the police when under arrest for even minor offences.  And as a man, his opinion is more valued than that of a woman. He has a ton of privilege.

Do you hate being a white man? Are you a white guilt person? Minorities need to take more responsibility. Blaming the whites for everything is getting old. America needs to come together as a WHOLE to fix these problems, regardless of who is in charge.

What makes you think I'm a white man? How do you know I'm not an African American man or a Hispanic woman? I don't recall having ever stated by race or gender on this forum. And just as you say minorities need to take more responsibility, I'll say people with privilege need to acknowledge their privilege and help work to decrease inequalities in our society for everyone's benefit. Not just say "what's in the past is history, move on."

Criminals should not have the same rights and access to jobs, health care, etc. We can't dumb down society.

[Suburbia]

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Great speech but just because you aren't disadvantaged doesn't mean you are privileged. Privileged are those who are in the top 2%, making $250k+ plus a year or went to the finest private schools. You can't tell 41 year old Joe Schmoe Associates Degree making $42,200 a year in Dayton, Ohio that he is "privileged".

He has the privilege of being a white man.  One who doesn't have to fear being killed by the police when under arrest for even minor offences.  And as a man, his opinion is more valued than that of a woman. He has a ton of privilege.

Do you hate being a white man? Are you a white guilt person? Minorities need to take more responsibility. Blaming the whites for everything is getting old. America needs to come together as a WHOLE to fix these problems, regardless of who is in charge.

What makes you think I'm a white man? How do you know I'm not an African American man or a Hispanic woman? I don't recall having ever stated by race or gender on this forum. And just as you say minorities need to take more responsibility, I'll say people with privilege need to acknowledge their privilege and help work to decrease inequalities in our society for everyone's benefit. Not just say "what's in the past is history, move on."

Giving unqualified minorities jobs will not help society, either.

[Dr. Arch]

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Great speech but just because you aren't disadvantaged doesn't mean you are privileged. Privileged are those who are in the top 2%, making $250k+ plus a year or went to the finest private schools. You can't tell 41 year old Joe Schmoe Associates Degree making $42,200 a year in Dayton, Ohio that he is "privileged".

He has the privilege of being a white man.  One who doesn't have to fear being killed by the police when under arrest for even minor offences.  And as a man, his opinion is more valued than that of a woman. He has a ton of privilege.

Do you hate being a white man? Are you a white guilt person? Minorities need to take more responsibility. Blaming the whites for everything is getting old. America needs to come together as a WHOLE to fix these problems, regardless of who is in charge.

What makes you think I'm a white man? How do you know I'm not an African American man or a Hispanic woman? I don't recall having ever stated by race or gender on this forum. And just as you say minorities need to take more responsibility, I'll say people with privilege need to acknowledge their privilege and help work to decrease inequalities in our society for everyone's benefit. Not just say "what's in the past is history, move on."

Giving unqualified minorities jobs will not help society, either.

You mean like Carson?

[EnglishPete]

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

I'll just go through your points one by one

1. You don't like news articles appearing in right wing news sites like Breitbart.com. You presumably prefer left wing sources like CNN, WaPo or NYT. I know that's your preference but that's not really an argument against the substance of the report.

If the source itself is untrustworthy, then the article presented by said source is also likely untrustworthy. Breitbart is a news site that publishes undeniably bigoted, prejudiced, and conspiratorial articles. Why should I, or any sane person, trust what comes from them?

Events and reporting of them over the last few weeks and months have shown that Breitbart is significantly more trustworthy and reliable than many 'respectable' left wing new outlets like the Washington Post

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Tancredo is an ignorant fool who has a long history of promoting xenophobic nonsense . Again, why should I, or anyone else, trust his judgement?[/quote]Which is your way of saying that you don't like him and you disagree strongly with his opinions. Again that's not really an argument.

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I obviously didn't read it, nor did you, I presume, considering it's hundreds of pages long. So neither of us know exactly what's in the document's details. What we're left with is whether we trust the judgment of the source; you do, I do not.[/quote]Well having skimmed through it the report clearly documents in quite a lot of detail that this kind of teaching of left wing activism is happening at Universities all over the US. And it is all left wing activism that is being taught. There is no right wing activism that is being taught. No Universities are teaching how to best be a Tea party activist, or an anti immigration activist, or a Men's rights activist etc. No one is teaching how most effectively to advance right wing ideology, how to oppose the left, how best to deal with disruptive leftists, how to best deal with SJWs in the workplace etc. This is because the Universities view left wing ideology and activism as socially and morally worthy and to be encouraged and right wing activism as not being socially and morally worthy and to be encouraged. This is clearly also your view. However it is also clearly a left wing view. Right wingers would clearly view left wing activism as being less worthy and less to be encouraged than right wing activism.

I'm not sure what you'rearguing with me (and Breitbart and Tancredo and NAS) about. You're not disputing that this teaching of left wing ideology and activism is taking place. You're just disputing whether or not its a good thing.

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What I said is that they teach and promote the truth, as best as it can be understood. If left wing politics happens to coincide with the truth, or is an outgrowth thereof, then how's that their fault or mine? It'd appear the problem then lies with those who object to the truth, as understood by the professionals. But again, you doubt even the foundations of their knowledge by alleging that they're stepped in left wing discourse. So, there's no common ground to affirm the truth; it merely becomes your truth and my truth.[/quote]Its not a question of 'your truth and my truth'. its the fact that academics, particularly those not in the hard sciences are so steeped in leftist ideology that they have all kinds of conclusions that are simply wrong e.g. that 'white privilege' and 'the patriarchy' are real in our society.

[JerryArkansas]

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

I'll just go through your points one by one

1. You don't like news articles appearing in right wing news sites like Breitbart.com. You presumably prefer left wing sources like CNN, WaPo or NYT. I know that's your preference but that's not really an argument against the substance of the report.

If the source itself is untrustworthy, then the article presented by said source is also likely untrustworthy. Breitbart is a news site that publishes undeniably bigoted, prejudiced, and conspiratorial articles. Why should I, or any sane person, trust what comes from them?

Events and reporting of them over the last few weeks and months have shown that Breitbart is significantly more trustworthy and reliable than many 'respectable' left wing new outlets like the Washington Post

Yeah, you really need to get out more.  That propaganda will rot your brain.  You still might have some time to correct it.

[EnglishPete]

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Of course every major society in history has had slavery; it has served the purpose of maintaining hierarchical social systems and supported countless economies. However, the exceptional nature of modern, Western slavery has been its uniquely racial character.[/quote]So what? If someone is forced into a lifetime of involuntary servitude I don't suppose it would make them feel any better if they knew it was purely due to being in the wrong place at the wrong time rather than have anything to with having the wrong skin colour.

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Again, I've learned about this in university as well. I'm not sure what your universities teach, but either you've never attended or they're missing a lot of material for whatever purposes. But again, those forced relocations, while abhorrent and deserving of extreme criticism, were not resulting from a socially constructed explanation of justified racial hierarchy. Whites, especially the British, constructed a racial identity of Native Americans as one group of people who're merely savages, occupying a land without rights to it because of a lack of private property, thereby justifying their forced removal and theft of land for White benefit. Although forced removal was practiced by the Native Americans among each other, it was not on this same racist basis. The same applies to what occurred in the Soviet Union. They were forcefully moved, not due to a racist social construction of their identities, but their relationship with the Soviet government.[/quote]Again so what. Forced removal among native Americans was based on tribal identity rather than race as such and the Soviets it was based primarily on their ideology. Again I'm not sure how this is supposed to make it better for people forcably relocated. Incidentally the Soviets did forcible relocation of specific ethnic groups e.g. The Chechens, the Prussian Germans etc

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Again, context matters. The justification within those systems of their abuses matters. They didn't socially construct races in those communist countries like they did in Western ones.  [/quote]Again so what? is it supposed to make people who are having their freedom restricted and their rights taken away that at least its not being done to them on the basis of race?

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White privilege exists insofar as White people of the same socioeconomic background as minorities experience better opportunities, freedom from harassment, and freedom from positive and negative prejudice. It's undeniable that's White people do benefit like that and are privileged over minority groups, institutionally and socially. [/quote]It most certainly is deniable, not least because its simply not true.

[Wells]

It's especially dumb considering that you liberals control 'the system'. Liberals have complete and total dominance in our news media, cultural media, education system and bureaucracies. And don't even get me started on universities - which are so far beyond the pale as to be reminiscent of socialist indoctrination camps.

I wish. Maybe your Texas schools are way more liberal than the schools up here in New York. Or maybe your views are so ridiculously right-wing that anything resembling centrism looks like liberal indoctrination and the smallest doses of rationality are socialist conspiracies. But I do like your version of reality where us liberals have more power than we actually do. Please tell me more.

[Devout Centrist]

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Great speech but just because you aren't disadvantaged doesn't mean you are privileged. Privileged are those who are in the top 2%, making $250k+ plus a year or went to the finest private schools. You can't tell 41 year old Joe Schmoe Associates Degree making $42,200 a year in Dayton, Ohio that he is "privileged".

He has the privilege of being a white man.  One who doesn't have to fear being killed by the police when under arrest for even minor offences.  And as a man, his opinion is more valued than that of a woman.  He has a ton of privilege.

OMG. You are literally insane. You are also a racist, sexist and a bigot.

People like you are why this world is so terrible.

No, the system which has fostered and excused such attitudes and behavior is terrible. It's the one that has cultivated racist, sexist, and bigoted views in privileged people, even without them fully realizing it.

Stop accusing people who you disagree with politically of being 'privileged'. And especially stop doing so based on sex and skin color. That's racist and sexist. You are judging people and their morality based on their ethnicity and gender. Racist and sexist.

And all it really is is typical socialist envy-ism.

It's especially dumb considering that you liberals control 'the system'. Liberals have complete and total dominance in our news media, cultural media, education system and bureaucracies. And don't even get me started on universities - which are so far beyond the pale as to be reminiscent of socialist indoctrination camps. You liberals talk about your 'safe space' (where you can pretend opposing opinions do not exists). Well I can tell you that Republicans certainly don't feel safe or included within your universities - they feel marginalized and even threatened if their political views become known.

Trust me, as a conservative in high school some 6 years ago I know what it's like to have liberal ideology spewed in my face and feeling like I couldn't speak out against it (especially from my English teachers.) And I'm in Texas.

But who cares? I'm a white male right? (Actually I'm mixed - my father was from Iran.) But thanks for judging me anyway.

Racist and sexist.

Damn you ideologues like to imagine you're oppressed.

[Devout Centrist]

I have to say, this report actually made me lose brain cells.

[Suburbia]

I want everyone to feel happy and safe.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Right wing cuck's getting getting triggered again...So one party should be ultra conservative and the Democrats should keep staying center left? Yea that's not going to happen.

[Suburbia]

Right wing cuck's getting getting triggered again...So one party should be ultra conservative and the Democrats should keep staying center left? Yea that's not going to happen.

You can't go full Communist either.

[Person Man]

I have to say, this report actually made me lose brain cells.

Mmmm hmm..

Right wing cuck's getting getting triggered again...So one party should be ultra conservative and the Democrats should keep staying center left? Yea that's not going to happen.

They are always cuck a doodle dooed.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

There are relatively-legit conservative cultural journalists who have this shtick, Rod Dreher and people like that. Leave it to them and don't drag [Inks]ing Breitbart into it.

[Cassius]

I love it when left-wingers clumsily steal the lingo of reddit bound basement dwellers in an attempt to make 'sick burns' against people who've never actually used the term 'cuck'.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Criminals should not have the same rights and access to jobs, health care, etc. We can't dumb down society.

Your two statements don't mesh.  It truly would dumb down society if we were to do everything in our power to ensure criminals remain criminal, which is exactly what you are calling for.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

Criminals should not have the same rights and access to jobs, health care, etc. We can't dumb down society.

Your two statements don't mesh.  It truly would dumb down society if we were to do everything in our power to ensure criminals remain criminal, which is exactly what you are calling for.

-That's clearly not what this freedom fighter is calling for.

[JJC]

It's especially dumb considering that you liberals control 'the system'. Liberals have complete and total dominance in our news media, cultural media, education system and bureaucracies. And don't even get me started on universities - which are so far beyond the pale as to be reminiscent of socialist indoctrination camps.

I wish. Maybe your Texas schools are way more liberal than the schools up here in New York. Or maybe your views are so ridiculously right-wing that anything resembling centrism looks like liberal indoctrination and the smallest doses of rationality are socialist conspiracies. But I do like your version of reality where us liberals have more power than we actually do. Please tell me more.

Ignoring your non-sequitur, liberals completely dominate the industrial media complex as well as the education system. To deny that is to deny reality.

Over 90% of journalists identify as liberal in a nation where conservatives outnumber them 2-1. Over 95% of news endorsements favored Hillary in a nation that elected Trump. Don't even deny the news media liberal bias. That's like denying the earth is round.

Next is the culture media. Do you really want to go there and claim that hollywood/music industry is not liberally bias? You can't escape it. That's why low-info voters (this is different than non-college educated BTW) overwhelmingly vote liberal. They are predominantly millennial who are inundated by liberal news and culture media anytime they turn on the tv. You have to go out of your way to get an opposing view from the liberal orthodoxy - and most millennial can't be bothered.

And we know what happens to those who stand against the orthodoxy. Hell, virtually every celebrity that has announced they will perform at the inauguration has been attacked viciously and also had boycotts demanded against them. A board member of an outdoor gear company had donated to Trump, and that was cause for a boycott. The owners of Chic Fil A believed in traditional marriage, and that was cause to prevent their business in a major city. Ken Boone - a nobody who asked a question to Hillary that liberals didn't liked, got publicly doxxed - by the news media. That he watch porn on his Reddit account showed up in CNN, WaPo, NYT, NBC, Gizmodo, and every other lefty site. What was newsworthy about that? Nothing of course - they were trying to humiliate a dissenter, like they always do. The left tries to publicly attack, shame, and destroy the lives of anyone who dares go against their orthodoxy - to a point where conservative actors, scientist, and businessman stay quiet out of fear for their jobs or reputations.

As for education - I really don't know why liberals feel the need to insert their politics into everyday conversation no matter what the subject (I suspect that it's related to politics being their religion though). But I can tell you it's certainly true among liberal teachers. The things that are happening on college campuses range from laughable to fascistic.

Please, please read this article. It's not an opinion piece. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/overwrought-political-correctness-helped-trump-win-a-1125725.html

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Universities are supposed to spur learning, open up debate, expose people to many different world views and life challenges, and teach them how to overcome adversity. They have now become the opposite of those things; bubbles for people to exclude any opposing point of view, shut down dissent, and single out those they disagree with (kind of like fascism).

Anytime a conservative speaker is invited (which is rare), not only do they get death threats, but the University staff also get inundated with 'demands' to prevent the speech from happening. The staff themselves gets threats and doxed publicly. Students whine about how such an event will 'trigger' them to hear an opposing point of view. If the speech goes on anyway that speaker can expect constant interruptions during the event. Case in point - Milo yet again had a University speech cancelled because their students demanded it.

What is happening on our college campuses right now is insane - and certainly not on the plane of higher learning.

[EnglishPete]

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

I'll just go through your points one by one

1. You don't like news articles appearing in right wing news sites like Breitbart.com. You presumably prefer left wing sources like CNN, WaPo or NYT. I know that's your preference but that's not really an argument against the substance of the report.

If the source itself is untrustworthy, then the article presented by said source is also likely untrustworthy. Breitbart is a news site that publishes undeniably bigoted, prejudiced, and conspiratorial articles. Why should I, or any sane person, trust what comes from them?

Events and reporting of them over the last few weeks and months have shown that Breitbart is significantly more trustworthy and reliable than many 'respectable' left wing new outlets like the Washington Post

Yeah, you really need to get out more.  That propaganda will rot your brain.  You still might have some time to correct it.

Seriously? After all the fake news they've been producing lately you're seriously going to suggest that the Washington Post isn't less reliable and trustworthy than Breitbart