Why was Macron able to attract more center-right voters than Hillary?
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American politics are more ideologically polarized than French politics
 
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The two party system encourages party loyalty in the US
 
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Macron was more centrist, and was thus appealed more palatable to the center-right than Clinton
 
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Clinton was a more polarizing political figure than Macron
 
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Le Pen was scarier to the center-right than Trump was
 
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Fillon endorsed Macron, no Republican candidates endorsed Hillary
 
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Macron was able to distance himself from the left more than Clinton was
 
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Macron was just a better campaigner, while Clinton only turned out her base
 
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Trump's business ties made him more palatable to "business conservatives" than Le Pen
 
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The center-right in France is more centrist, while in the US it is more rightist
 
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Crumpets
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« on: May 16, 2017, 06:06:18 PM »

It seems like Macron's victory in France matched what Clinton and her supporters were hoping for from her candidacy - the union of left, right, and center to definitively take out a far-right candidate. And yet the two results speak for themselves - Macron was able to coalesce Melenchon, Hamon, and Fillon voters (each to varying degrees) to take out Le Pen by 30+ points while Clinton could hardly claim to have brought out the leftist voters against Trump, and only marginally took from previously center-right Republicans, while Trump managed to win over practically all "historically" Republican voters, including staunch supporters of his primary opponents.

Basically my question boils down to: Why was Macron seen as the more palatable of the two choices to Fillon and his supporters, but Hillary was not to Kasich, Bush, or Rubio supporters?
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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2017, 06:09:33 PM »

Hillary is further and Trump is closer to the center than you describe.
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2017, 06:12:15 PM »

I don't think any of these are incorrect, but I voted for American politics being more polarized, Hillary being a more controversial figure (in which respect I think her vaunted experience was actually a liability in the end), and Macron being a better campaigner as the three points that seem most trenchant.
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2017, 06:14:25 PM »

Another thing is that, unlike Hillary, Macron's economic plans were, from what I've heard and read, pro-business.
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2017, 06:16:28 PM »

Another thing is that, unlike Hillary, Macron's economic plans were, from what I've heard and read, pro-business.

That's "Macron was more centrist, and was thus appealed more palatable to the center-right than Clinton", just worded in Buzzwordese.
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2017, 06:45:53 PM »

Babyboomers went 80-20 in favor of Macron. A large part of this is that WW2 looms much larger in the imagination of French babyboomers than it does in the imagination of American ones.
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2017, 06:48:48 PM »

Because Le Pen is trash. I would've backed any center-righter over Macron, but no one on the Le Pen fringe right.
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2017, 07:04:51 PM »

Europe's center-right voting base is much more centrist than in the US plus his plans of liberalising the economy, flexibilizing the labour code, cutting corporate taxes (which are pathetically high in south Europe) and reducing and restructuring the public sector were extremely appealing to center-right voters and moderate/reformist center-left voters.

As a center-right voter, these are some of the reasons i like Macron. Fillon had some good ideas but the job family fiasco destroyed his image of a reformist and made him as part of the problem. Wish we had someone like Macron here in Portugal.
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2017, 07:29:32 PM »
« Edited: May 16, 2017, 07:33:00 PM by En Marche Forcée »

Because almost every possible contextual element aside from the vague ideologico-cultural profile of candidates (and even then...) was different between US 2016 and France 2017. Trying to identify one single answer, or even a few answers, is a silly exercise.

Voted for all except 1, 3 and 9.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2017, 07:42:36 PM »

Because almost every possible contextual element aside from the vague ideologico-cultural profile of candidates (and even then...) was different between US 2016 and France 2017. Trying to identify one single answer, or even a few answers, is a silly exercise.

Voted for all except 1, 3 and 9.

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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2017, 08:00:51 PM »

Another thing is that, unlike Hillary, Macron's economic plans were, from what I've heard and read, pro-business.

That's "Macron was more centrist, and was thus appealed more palatable to the center-right than Clinton", just worded in Buzzwordese.

Yeah, that was a typo. I mean to say "appeared," rather than "appealed," but this is a poll. So, alas...
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2017, 08:53:45 PM »

Where's the option for "Clinton would have won a top-two runoff system, but a lot of people disgusted with Trump ended up voting for Gary Johnson in our system"
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2017, 09:24:19 PM »

2. The blocking coalition dynamic created by a two round system allows for more crossover votes. Two party system created a funnel for conservative voters.
3. Where Clinton presented herself as neoliberal, Macron was neoliberal in running
4. Clinton was in the republican entertainment industry's sights for ~20 years.
6. 2, except with endorsements.
7. See 3
10. Ideologically, the Reaganist consensus is to the right of the French right.
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2017, 01:20:05 AM »

Macron was flawless and beautiful and he nails his former teacher.

Hillary is a scarecrow to voters.
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