Cenk Uygur launches new wing of the Democratic party

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To the new wing of the democratic party: Welcome. The faster you fizzle out, the better.

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It and this thread failed when it mentioned Cenk Uygur.

Like Hillary Clinton failed last November.

That is completely irrelevant to Cenk Uygur being terrible.

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It and this thread failed when it mentioned Cenk Uygur.

Like Hillary Clinton failed last November.

That is completely irrelevant to Cenk Uygur being terrible.

No, it's really not. I voted for Clinton against Trump because I thought she was the more respectable candidate. I'll admit it wasn't a proud vote or anything, I was much more happy with my choice for the House and Senate. Honestly though, even in the primaries, she might have been better than Sanders on a few issues.

But by and large, we need a change in this Democratic Party. Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania should not be Republican states in any election, and yet, the working class voters there shifted Republican due to these horrible trade deals and neoliberal policies being proposed by mainstream Democrats. Cenk Uygur isn't the best, but I wish him good luck on this particular endeavor.

Because one loss against a candidate that was a perfect fit for the lost states means complete doom . Especially considering that A: the trade deals are a strong net benefit for the country and B: The democrats haven't stood for neoliberal policy(with a few exceptions) in several years. And why are some democrats obsessed with winning the working class. Frankly, I don't see a problem with becoming a more sunbelt focused party.

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trump isn't exactly great for republican margins in the sunbelt. An unpopular trump could destroy the R advantage.

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Well, f**k you too. The working class did vote D in this election, because, shock and awe, not all poor people are white. The WWC (which seems to be what working class means anymore) has been trending republican for a long time now, as the country becomes more diverse.

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4. The Sun Belt strategy won't work for the next 10 or 20 years, until Demographics fully catch up. Even then, the Democrats are going to have trouble because a lot of the new Sunbelt voters will be pretty affluent, so they'll have to change up some of their talking points in the region anyway.

trump isn't exactly great for republican margins in the sunbelt. An unpopular trump could destroy the R advantage.

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Well, f**k you too. The working class did vote D in this election, because, shock and awe, not all poor people are white. The WWC (which seems to be what working class means anymore) has been trending republican for a long time now, as the country becomes more diverse.

This is such a misunderstanding of what the problem was in this election that it's hilarious. Hey Scarlet, he did better than expected in Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico, buddy. And it didn't affect the results at all. We have an electoral college, and unless Texas swings, which we all know is still unlikely, your strategy will add....

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For the Democrats. Nice plan, kid. Ice up.

To win elections in the US, you need a significant chunk of the white vote. That continues to be the case today. The working class is the only segment of the white vote, other than in a few states, that has lined up behind Democrats in the past. I don't see which states you hope to win with a minorities only strategy. California+Hawaii+New Mexico is not enough.

Collage educated whites are a clear part of such a coalition. College educated people are trending D, while those without a degree are trending R. Democrats don't need the very particular(culturally) part of the mdwestern white that used to be democratic anymore, because that kind of voter is going to the GOP, and is being replaced by a different kind of white alienated by GOP extremism.

Also how dumb do you have to be to think that I argued for a minorities only strategy? I said nothing even remotely implying that.

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4. The Sun Belt strategy won't work for the next 10 or 20 years, until Demographics fully catch up. Even then, the Democrats are going to have trouble because a lot of the new Sunbelt voters will be pretty affluent, so they'll have to change up some of their talking points in the region anyway.

trump isn't exactly great for republican margins in the sunbelt. An unpopular trump could destroy the R advantage.

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Well, f**k you too. The working class did vote D in this election, because, shock and awe, not all poor people are white. The WWC (which seems to be what working class means anymore) has been trending republican for a long time now, as the country becomes more diverse.

This is such a misunderstanding of what the problem was in this election that it's hilarious. Hey Scarlet, he did better than expected in Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico, buddy. And it didn't affect the results at all. We have an electoral college, and unless Texas swings, which we all know is still unlikely, your strategy will add....

0 Electoral Votes

For the Democrats. Nice plan, kid. Ice up.

To win elections in the US, you need a significant chunk of the white vote. That continues to be the case today. The working class is the only segment of the white vote, other than in a few states, that has lined up behind Democrats in the past. I don't see which states you hope to win with a minorities only strategy. California+Hawaii+New Mexico is not enough.

Collage educated whites are a clear part of such a coalition. College educated people are trending D, while those without a degree are trending R. Democrats don't need the very particular(culturally) part of the mdwestern white that used to be democratic anymore, because that kind of voter is going to the GOP, and is being replaced by a different kind of white alienated by GOP extremism.

Also how dumb do you have to be to think that I argued for a minorities only strategy? I said nothing even remotely implying that.

First of all, Jerry Arkansas was the one that said they should appeal only to minorities, not me.

Also, college educated whites are not going to be a stable part of our coalition. The second another Romney type comes around, they are going back. That's the entire problem with your strategy. The Democratic based in the past 70 years has always been people who need to vote Democratic to survive. They knew that their very existence was threatened by the economic policies of the Republicans.

Listen, unless Trump completely collapses, these college voters that you adore are going to swing back to him. There ain't even a question. No way they vote against an incumbent Republican, even if it is Trump. That's what privilege is in this country. The privilege to be a swing voter.

The trend of college educated people to the democratic party was happening before trump. He just sped it up.

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4. The Sun Belt strategy won't work for the next 10 or 20 years, until Demographics fully catch up. Even then, the Democrats are going to have trouble because a lot of the new Sunbelt voters will be pretty affluent, so they'll have to change up some of their talking points in the region anyway.

trump isn't exactly great for republican margins in the sunbelt. An unpopular trump could destroy the R advantage.

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Well, f**k you too. The working class did vote D in this election, because, shock and awe, not all poor people are white. The WWC (which seems to be what working class means anymore) has been trending republican for a long time now, as the country becomes more diverse.

This is such a misunderstanding of what the problem was in this election that it's hilarious. Hey Scarlet, he did better than expected in Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico, buddy. And it didn't affect the results at all. We have an electoral college, and unless Texas swings, which we all know is still unlikely, your strategy will add....

0 Electoral Votes

For the Democrats. Nice plan, kid. Ice up.

To win elections in the US, you need a significant chunk of the white vote. That continues to be the case today. The working class is the only segment of the white vote, other than in a few states, that has lined up behind Democrats in the past. I don't see which states you hope to win with a minorities only strategy. California+Hawaii+New Mexico is not enough.

Collage educated whites are a clear part of such a coalition. College educated people are trending D, while those without a degree are trending R. Democrats don't need the very particular(culturally) part of the mdwestern white that used to be democratic anymore, because that kind of voter is going to the GOP, and is being replaced by a different kind of white alienated by GOP extremism.

Also how dumb do you have to be to think that I argued for a minorities only strategy? I said nothing even remotely implying that.

First of all, Jerry Arkansas was the one that said they should appeal only to minorities, not me.

Also, college educated whites are not going to be a stable part of our coalition. The second another Romney type comes around, they are going back. That's the entire problem with your strategy. The Democratic based in the past 70 years has always been people who need to vote Democratic to survive. They knew that their very existence was threatened by the economic policies of the Republicans.

Listen, unless Trump completely collapses, these college voters that you adore are going to swing back to him. There ain't even a question. No way they vote against an incumbent Republican, even if it is Trump. That's what privilege is in this country. The privilege to be a swing voter.

The trend of college educated people to the democratic party was happening before trump. He just sped it up.

That's patently untrue. In 2008, Obama won college graduates by 2 points, and in 2012 he lost them by 4. In 2016 Clinton won them by 4. There is no trend. These people change their vote every election, unlike almost any other group in the country. Even that can be explained by swing voters, the fact that more minorities are graduating college than ever before, and the fact that they are becoming a larger percent of the college graduate population. This is not a strategy that is going to work for the Democrats.

Let me prove how dumb this argument is. By your logic, the South was "trending" Democrat in the 1990s. Now, we all know that's not true. Clinton was from the South, and was an exceptionally good candidate for the region, especially compared to HW Bush. That's the same thing that's happening now. Romney was a decent candidate for college graduates, and Trump was a very bad one. Still, look at the exit polls. Those voters are, number one, a small part of the country overall, number two, barely switching every election, and number 3, switching not based on party but based on candidate. THIS IS A HORRIBLE GROUP TO PIN YOUR HOPES ON. It guarantees you'll lose about half of the time, even if you do a lot of lip service to them.

This myth of White college graduates trending Democrat was created by liberal intellectuals who wanted the Democratic Party to have an air of superiority over the "dumb" Republicans. Also, I hope you realize that a candidate like Obama is not going to come around and lift the tide for the party again for a while. We're going to be seeing some pretty boring Democrats in 2020, and that's to be expected. Even Hillary had some charisma, but people like Booker and Heinrich appeal to almost no one. That doesn't even include the fact that Trump, unless he completely collapses, will have a significant incumbent advantage. College graduates especially would have no reason to swing Democratic again. In fact, I bet you they'll vote more Republican in 4 years if there isn't a major calamity in the country.

http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/

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4. The Sun Belt strategy won't work for the next 10 or 20 years, until Demographics fully catch up. Even then, the Democrats are going to have trouble because a lot of the new Sunbelt voters will be pretty affluent, so they'll have to change up some of their talking points in the region anyway.

trump isn't exactly great for republican margins in the sunbelt. An unpopular trump could destroy the R advantage.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Well, f**k you too. The working class did vote D in this election, because, shock and awe, not all poor people are white. The WWC (which seems to be what working class means anymore) has been trending republican for a long time now, as the country becomes more diverse.

This is such a misunderstanding of what the problem was in this election that it's hilarious. Hey Scarlet, he did better than expected in Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico, buddy. And it didn't affect the results at all. We have an electoral college, and unless Texas swings, which we all know is still unlikely, your strategy will add....

0 Electoral Votes

For the Democrats. Nice plan, kid. Ice up.

To win elections in the US, you need a significant chunk of the white vote. That continues to be the case today. The working class is the only segment of the white vote, other than in a few states, that has lined up behind Democrats in the past. I don't see which states you hope to win with a minorities only strategy. California+Hawaii+New Mexico is not enough.

Collage educated whites are a clear part of such a coalition. College educated people are trending D, while those without a degree are trending R. Democrats don't need the very particular(culturally) part of the mdwestern white that used to be democratic anymore, because that kind of voter is going to the GOP, and is being replaced by a different kind of white alienated by GOP extremism.

Also how dumb do you have to be to think that I argued for a minorities only strategy? I said nothing even remotely implying that.

First of all, Jerry Arkansas was the one that said they should appeal only to minorities, not me.

Also, college educated whites are not going to be a stable part of our coalition. The second another Romney type comes around, they are going back. That's the entire problem with your strategy. The Democratic based in the past 70 years has always been people who need to vote Democratic to survive. They knew that their very existence was threatened by the economic policies of the Republicans.

Listen, unless Trump completely collapses, these college voters that you adore are going to swing back to him. There ain't even a question. No way they vote against an incumbent Republican, even if it is Trump. That's what privilege is in this country. The privilege to be a swing voter.

The trend of college educated people to the democratic party was happening before trump. He just sped it up.

That's patently untrue. In 2008, Obama won college graduates by 2 points, and in 2012 he lost them by 4. In 2016 Clinton won them by 4. There is no trend. These people change their vote every election, unlike almost any other group in the country. Even that can be explained by swing voters, the fact that more minorities are graduating college than ever before, and the fact that they are becoming a larger percent of the college graduate population. This is not a strategy that is going to work for the Democrats.

Let me prove how dumb this argument is. By your logic, the South was "trending" Democrat in the 1990s. Now, we all know that's not true. Clinton was from the South, and was an exceptionally good candidate for the region, especially compared to HW Bush. That's the same thing that's happening now. Romney was a decent candidate for college graduates, and Trump was a very bad one. Still, look at the exit polls. Those voters are, number one, a small part of the country overall, number two, barely switching every election, and number 3, switching not based on party but based on candidate. THIS IS A HORRIBLE GROUP TO PIN YOUR HOPES ON. It guarantees you'll lose about half of the time, even if you do a lot of lip service to them.

This myth of White college graduates trending Democrat was created by liberal intellectuals who wanted the Democratic Party to have an air of superiority over the "dumb" Republicans. Also, I hope you realize that a candidate like Obama is not going to come around and lift the tide for the party again for a while. We're going to be seeing some pretty boring Democrats in 2020, and that's to be expected. Even Hillary had some charisma, but people like Booker and Heinrich appeal to almost no one. That doesn't even include the fact that Trump, unless he completely collapses, will have a significant incumbent advantage. College graduates especially would have no reason to swing Democratic again. In fact, I bet you they'll vote more Republican in 4 years if there isn't a major calamity in the country.

http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/

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If the Democratic Party's strategy is to win elections by giving up on working class voters, and only appealing to white college graduates, they aren't going to be winning the 2020 race. This is the time for a Progressive, populist movement to come up, and reject Third Way economic policy. White college graduates are swing voters, as I cited from the exit polls. I agree with the poster above me on the suburban voter issue.

College educated people were a swing group with two republicans who were designed to appeal to them (their trend right  in 2012 is more due to Romney being practically designed to underperform among the WWC("I like to fire people") which drove WWC voters more left then normal.) trump screwing everything up after having to actually govern would be the perfect chance to snatch  a large chunk of college educated moderates away.