How should Republicans view VA statewide races going forward?
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We had a few bad runs, but the state will come back to us soon. Let's keep going for it aggressively!
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We should recruit wave insurance candidates/put forth some effort just in case, but we should accept the state is gone under most circumstances
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No effort is worth it, just let Democrats win big like they do in most NE states, and let random farmers or whatever get the R Sen/Gov Nomination
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Not a republican
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« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2017, 08:51:57 PM »

At the Presidential level, they shouldn't focus on the state or spend any resources there unless they have a personal connection to it OR they're going to win in a national landslide.
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« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2017, 02:56:40 AM »

Furthermore, Trump's formula for winning PA was not predictable in advance for anyone who wanted to stay politically relevant - if you went around saying that Clinton was only going to win Scranton by 3% after Obama won it by 27%, you'd be laughed out of politics in 5 seconds. Also, there was the general line of thinking that a state that votes for a Democrat 6 times in a row (PA) isn't going to turn around and start voting the other way.


So you have to herd with the consensus and ignore obvious facts to remain relevant?

We had polling that had Trump up by 20% in Luzerne County. We had polling that showed Clinton's favorables in the 20's in that area.

We had a fully encompassing analysis of the state that mentioned the Plateauing of Democratic registration gains in the Southeast and Republican gains in registration over the previous three years in the rest of the state. I know I repeatedly mentioned the impact of a protectionist message in expanding the out-state appeal beyond the War on Coal rhetoric, which helped Romney only in the SW, to a message that appealed to working class swing voters across the whole of the state. Plus, I just happened to be from NE Pennsylvania, and have a general feel for it.

The signs were there.
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« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2017, 10:36:44 PM »

I know it's easy to look back on the results and say it was so amazingly obvious, but look at it from a lens where you don't know the results of 2016. In this lens, the last successful republican campaign was Bush 2004. Bush 2004 won Virginia by keeping Fairfax tight and winning in Loudoun and Prince William. Bush 2004 went hard at Pennsylvania and won Chester County by 5, only lost Bucks by 2, only lost Montgomery by 10, held Kerry under 60% in Scranton, etc., but still lost by 3%.  Since then, McCain spent so much time in PA that the governor was joking about charging him state income tax, and still lost by 11, and Romney managed to do great in the Pittsburgh Suburbs, but ended up bleeding votes in Philly vs. '04 in return, and lost by a Bush 2000 margin.  Simply put, from a pre-2016 viewpoint, the last winnable PA formula was in 1988 during a 400 electoral vote landslide (probably not realistic in the modern era for either political party), while the last winnable VA formula was far more recent - 2004. Furthermore, Trump's formula for winning PA was not predictable in advance for anyone who wanted to stay politically relevant - if you went around saying that Clinton was only going to win Scranton by 3% after Obama won it by 27%, you'd be laughed out of politics in 5 seconds.

Not really. NC Yankee already explained most of it, plus it is worth mentioning that there were many polls showing Republicans (especially Toomey in his Senate race) doing better in PA than VA, and that was long before Trump became the nominee. A possible "winning formula" for PA was pretty obvious back then, it would have been something like PA-SEN 2010 (with the GOP nominee outperforming Toomey in the rural areas but doing worse in the Philly suburbs). The long-term trends in VA favor the Democrats, people should have realized this.

To be fair, at some point in 2015 I also considered VA a Tossup (sad!), but I always expected PA to vote to the right of VA in 2016 and repeatedly made it clear that triaging PA/WI in favor of VA would be a recipe for disaster.

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Any Republican strategist who relies on this logical fallacy should be fired.  Arizona has voted Republican in 12 of the last 13 elections, does that mean that Democrats shouldn't contest the state in 2020?


I can't wait until the next time Republicans lose the gubernatorial race when a Democrat is president.
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« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2017, 10:44:09 PM »

I don't think they should give up on the state completely but they should plan on spending less resources on it in the future. It's becoming fool's gold for them.


It wasn't that long ago that PA was fool's gold and VA was the only real path to 270. God I have love politics just for this reason.

Delicious Irony!

I NEVER believed PA was fool's gold. It has always been a pure tossup. That being said, disregarding the tossup label, my state is still Lean D. We still elect democrats for open statewide seats, in fact, we filled 3/4 open superior court seats with Democrats on Tuesday and I guarantee you that if Mundy wasn't an incumbent, Woodruff probably would've won.
I also credit Trump's win in the state to third party voters. Without Stein and Johnson, I firmly believe Clinton would've won the state with around a Kerry 2004 margin.
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