SENATE BILL: Troubled Teen Protection Act (Law'd)

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I hope we can prevent teens from being forced to go through the sort of experience that Devin did.  At the same time, not all camps that deal with troubled teens are like this, so we ought to narrow our focus.

We can't base legality of sending a person to a camp on whether or not they are born with a condition. There's no definitive list of what is or isn't inherent, and genetics interacts with environment and experience so a clean separation is impossible anyway.  Plus, just because a difficulty comes out of a genetic predisposition doesn't mean there is no treatment or possibility of change.   Was I born with OCD?  I don't know, but it isn't usually relevant to how to deal with it.

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I hope we can prevent teens from being forced to go through the sort of experience that Devin did.  At the same time, not all camps that deal with troubled teens are like this, so we ought to narrow our focus.

We can't base legality of sending a person to a camp on whether or not they are born with a condition. There's no definitive list of what is or isn't inherent, and genetics interacts with environment and experience so a clean separation is impossible anyway.  Plus, just because a difficulty comes out of a genetic predisposition doesn't mean there is no treatment or possibility of change.   Was I born with OCD?  I don't know, but it isn't usually relevant to how to deal with it.

So what do you propose Senator?

I'm thinking about that. Maybe there is something we can do based on already existing human rights international law.

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What is current international law on this subject since the Senator mentionedi s as a possible guidepost?

I was thinking in terms of using the rights accorded to prisoners in the Geneva Convention, not specifically that there had been international law on this issue.

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So when can we expect some amendments here?

I'll have something tomorrow.

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Edited for a strikethrough I forgot to format.  Hopefully Devin can support it with this change too.

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Friendly, but I echo Talleyrand's concern

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Your original bill included what could be interpreted as the law placing a limit on personal effects. My amendment of that clause was intended to clear up this ambiguity.

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While it's fine to make sure campers are allowed to bring some personal effects, camps should be able to prohibit items that don't fit in with the camp environment.  Do we want the DoIA to be reviewing appeals from kids who are told they can't bring their iphones?

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I'm done, but if shua (or anyone else) wants to find a more efficient way to deal with the issue he brought up, I'd be game.

Unless there are specific personal effects that we mean to make sure campers are allowed to bring, I think it makes sense to strike clause 3.  Camps shouldn't have to wonder what items they are allowed to tell campers they can't bring.

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I'm done, but if shua (or anyone else) wants to find a more efficient way to deal with the issue he brought up, I'd be game.

Unless there are specific personal effects that we mean to make sure campers are allowed to bring, I think it makes sense to strike clause 3.  Camps shouldn't have to wonder what items they are allowed to tell campers they can't bring.

Hm, well involuntary campers are generally there for disciplinary reasons, so I can support cutting some of it.

I don't want to see "shall not be prohibited from bringing personal effects which are necessary for their well being" cut, though.

That seems like it will be very subjective in interpretation.

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I'm done, but if shua (or anyone else) wants to find a more efficient way to deal with the issue he brought up, I'd be game.

Unless there are specific personal effects that we mean to make sure campers are allowed to bring, I think it makes sense to strike clause 3.  Camps shouldn't have to wonder what items they are allowed to tell campers they can't bring.

Hm, well involuntary campers are generally there for disciplinary reasons, so I can support cutting some of it.

I don't want to see "shall not be prohibited from bringing personal effects which are necessary for their well being" cut, though.

That seems like it will be very subjective in interpretation.

The entire point of this bill is to decrease the dictatorial power of these camps. They should not be allowed to deprive a camper of necessary medication or whatnot.

The problem is defining the "whatnot."

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Nice text. You gonna offer that at some point?

I say I'm going to offer an amendment and then I post something that looks a lot like an amendment. So yes, you may consider that an amendment.

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Some camps have youth older or younger than "teen" as defined here. I don't know if we need to do anything else with the language to reflect that so that all participants are protected.

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I think that'll do.

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