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Question: ... abandon its rhetorical stance as the "Party of Lincoln"?
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« on: June 29, 2009, 05:39:21 PM »

Yes, imo. A southern-dominated, "states' rights" party should have no right to the memory of Abraham Lincoln. Consider one of the modern Republican Party's (fallen) stars, Mississippi's Trent Lott: "The spirit of Jefferson Davis lives in the 1984 Republican platform!" Or, more recently, Texas' Rick Perry, who proudly mentioned his state's "right to secede." There are also, of course, the countless Republicans who pay homage to the dead Confederacy, such as Virginia's George Allen.

This kind of thing is to be expected in politics, but it's getting ridiculous.
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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2009, 05:42:00 PM »
« Edited: June 29, 2009, 05:44:27 PM by Fading Frodo »

Yes, absolutely.  Tongue

Lincoln would be drummed out of today's Republican Party as a 'moderate hero' and a 'damned yankee' if ever he dared ventured into any of its more recent conventions...
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2009, 05:44:18 PM »

Democrats have county based yearly fundraisers called the "Jefferson/Jackson" dinner.



Riiiiiiight......


So in comparison the Lincoln/Reagan dinner is a little more on par, but still off.
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2009, 05:51:44 PM »

This reminds me of one of my foreign friends that I go to college with. I was helping him study for US History and it was around the Civil Rights era. When I told him about the party switch, his response: "My god your American politics is so dysfunctional." lol.
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2009, 06:01:02 PM »

I mean, they probably should in order to be consistent.  Ideally the other side of the contradiction would cease instead.


I assure you President Lincoln is quite dead.
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2009, 06:29:46 PM »

We held a vote, and we're not letting the man secede.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2009, 07:29:28 PM »

Absolutely. 

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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2009, 07:30:40 PM »

No, of course not.
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2009, 07:45:01 PM »

It should also abandon other such luminaries like Theodore Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower if it hasn't already. 
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2009, 08:17:26 PM »

It should also abandon other such luminaries like Theodore Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower if it hasn't already. 
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2009, 08:18:15 PM »

Yes, just as we Democrats should abandon Jackson.
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2009, 08:22:51 PM »

By that logic Democrats should abandon JFK, who was pro-growth and advocated for tax cuts, and FDR, who was very authoritarian and pro-war.
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2009, 08:24:44 PM »

By that logic Democrats should abandon JFK, who was pro-growth and advocated for tax cuts, and FDR, who was very authoritarian and pro-war.

Democrats are pro-growth and advocate for tax cuts. The Democratic congress passed the largest middle-class tax cut in history earlier this year. And FDR wasn't really authoritarian or pro-war...
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2009, 09:17:38 PM »
« Edited: June 29, 2009, 09:21:16 PM by paul718 »


Democrats are pro-growth and advocate for tax cuts. The Democratic congress passed the largest middle-class tax cut in history earlier this year.

"Pro-growth" tax cuts include the lowering of top marginal rates, capital gains taxes, and corporate taxes. 


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Court-packing doesn't sound authoritarian to you?  And do you really think he was trying to avoid entering the war at all costs?

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As for the topic...While I abhor the moralistic bent the GOP has been on, I think a valid argument lies in the idea that Republicans are less apt to see the country as a nation of races, whereas the Democrats often do.  So I have no problem with identifying as "The Party of Lincoln".

Edit:  Actually, I'd rather we not do that, as it's unfair to the Dems.  I'm going to concur with the aforementioned comments that the GOP abandon its identification with Lincoln, TR, etc., and the Dems abondon their identification with Kennedy.  Deal?  Good.

Edit #2:  I'd actually prefer it if the Democrats didn't take credit for the Clinton years, but maybe I'm pushing it. 
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2009, 09:27:14 PM »

If they did that then black people may stop voting for the GOP, didn't think about that, did you?
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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2009, 10:28:18 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2009, 11:49:37 PM »


Democrats are pro-growth and advocate for tax cuts. The Democratic congress passed the largest middle-class tax cut in history earlier this year.

"Pro-growth" tax cuts include the lowering of top marginal rates, capital gains taxes, and corporate taxes. 
 

Mind telling us how?
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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2009, 12:25:53 AM »

Absolutely not. I refuse to let the GOP become 100% the party of Southern hick populists.


Democrats are pro-growth and advocate for tax cuts. The Democratic congress passed the largest middle-class tax cut in history earlier this year.

"Pro-growth" tax cuts include the lowering of top marginal rates, capital gains taxes, and corporate taxes. 
 

Mind telling us how?

Basically the idea behind Pro-growth policies is essentially you encourage investment and the richest are the most likely to invest. Cutting the Corporate Tax rate is pro-growth b/c it will make it easier for them to compete with foreign companies, w/o that I would oppose it myself. I actually got an Idea for an "education tax" on corporations where you basically pull the rate back to 25% and you the give the company an option they can invest a said amount in scholarships or the rate goes back up to 30% which can then be spent on scholarships, grants and loans. I have been to afraid to suggest it though.

It is not the solution to our current problem based on the the laws of economics. You don't invest in a venture that has no prospect to make money. So the investment takes the form of Money sitting in a bank and banks aren't lending. That is why I supported "A" stimulus, though not Obamas, and why I support a minimum wage some would call near socialistic. Once demand returns though the low Cap Gains tax, corporate tax, and top marginal rate will put us in strong position to grow.
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