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« on: September 16, 2017, 12:59:53 PM »

I wonder how the primaries will look when Manchin decides to make a run.

If it's a one-on-one race, probably this.



Why does Manchin lose his home state and Kentucky? I thought he'd do best in these states.
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2017, 07:55:19 PM »

You do know that not everything can be blamed on "people disagree with me." Fact is, extremist candidates decrease turnout. The Democrats who have come closest in special elections have both been Clinton supporters.

Bernard Brother Rob Quist overperformed Clinton by like 16% or something. Meanwhile the 30,000,000 spent on Jon Ossoff translated into the dweeb polling, what, like a decimal better than Hillary in GA-06? 
Quist ran against a guy who beat up a reporter and a libertarian third party and couldn't come within 5 points. 
Quist ran a great campaign considering Montana voted for trump by 20 points not to mention its debatable whether or not he would have lost if so many people hadn't early voted before gianforte's scandal
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2017, 08:00:21 PM »

You do know that not everything can be blamed on "people disagree with me." Fact is, extremist candidates decrease turnout. The Democrats who have come closest in special elections have both been Clinton supporters.

Bernard Brother Rob Quist overperformed Clinton by like 16% or something. Meanwhile the 30,000,000 spent on Jon Ossoff translated into the dweeb polling, what, like a decimal better than Hillary in GA-06? 
Quist ran against a guy who beat up a reporter and a libertarian third party and couldn't come within 5 points. 
Quist ran a great campaign considering Montana voted for trump by 20 points not to mention its debatable whether or not he would have lost if so many people hadn't early voted before gianforte's scandal

Montana is fairly elastic. Obama came close to winning Montana in 08, 1/2 of the senators there is a Democrat, and Steve Bullock was reelected in 2012. They're very willing to vote for the right democrat.
And there's and argument to be made that quist would have won had not so many people early voted
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/25/opinion/montana-special-election-early-voting.html?mcubz=3
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2017, 09:10:05 PM »

Also Jon Ossoff had a good showing in GA-06, and he would have done far worse if he ran a more progressive candidate. You really think the rich folks at GA-06 wanted a progressive?

You need to stop looking at the presidential vote for house and senate elections. What matters far more for these elections is the partisan lean of the district. GA-06 was a very wealthy and educated district so they loved standard republicans, but Trump is a lot different from a standard republican. Trump did poorly among educated people, and did poorly among wealthier people in comparison to traditional Republicans; however, he also did far better among uneducated and did much better among poorer districts compared to traditional Republicans.

Trump's base and the standard Republican base overlap a lot, but they also differ in some ways.

Obama-Trump districts are where we will see the most gains in congressional elections I would imagine.
Are you serious? Ossoff underperformed Clinton he lost by 3.2 points while clinton lost by 1 point
Quist who ran a populist campaign got 44% of the vote while Clinton got 35% Quist got 9% more than clinton while Ossoff lost by 2.2% more if anything this shows that left populist candidates are more effective than fiscally moderate candidates like Ossoff and Clinton
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2017, 12:35:18 PM »

You do know that not everything can be blamed on "people disagree with me." Fact is, extremist candidates decrease turnout. The Democrats who have come closest in special elections have both been Clinton supporters.

Bernard Brother Rob Quist overperformed Clinton by like 16% or something. Meanwhile the 30,000,000 spent on Jon Ossoff translated into the dweeb polling, what, like a decimal better than Hillary in GA-06? 
Quist ran against a guy who beat up a reporter and a libertarian third party and couldn't come within 5 points. 
Quist ran a great campaign considering Montana voted for trump by 20 points not to mention its debatable whether or not he would have lost if so many people hadn't early voted before gianforte's scandal
Gianforte had just lost a statewide race.
Against an incumbent well loved Governor
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2017, 01:08:41 PM »

Anybody thinking Joe Manchin could become a Democratic nominee is seriously delusional, and that;s putting it mildly.
You know their trolling right? get on the discord their talking about how much fun it is to saltmine bernie supporters
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2017, 01:14:24 PM »

You do know that not everything can be blamed on "people disagree with me." Fact is, extremist candidates decrease turnout. The Democrats who have come closest in special elections have both been Clinton supporters.

Bernard Brother Rob Quist overperformed Clinton by like 16% or something. Meanwhile the 30,000,000 spent on Jon Ossoff translated into the dweeb polling, what, like a decimal better than Hillary in GA-06? 
Quist ran against a guy who beat up a reporter and a libertarian third party and couldn't come within 5 points. 
Quist ran a great campaign considering Montana voted for trump by 20 points not to mention its debatable whether or not he would have lost if so many people hadn't early voted before gianforte's scandal
Gianforte had just lost a statewide race.
Against an incumbent well loved Governor
That's still not an accomplishment.
I know I was just saying its different trying to compare an incumbent popular governor to a open seat race where a lot of votes were submitted early before a major scandal
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2017, 02:00:20 PM »

Anybody thinking Joe Manchin could become a Democratic nominee is seriously delusional, and that;s putting it mildly.
You know their trolling right? get on the discord their talking about how much fun it is to saltmine bernie supporters

Link to the discord?
https://discord.gg/wYGNDYn
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2017, 05:13:03 PM »
« Edited: September 17, 2017, 05:34:06 PM by Libertarian-Leaning Progressive »

Anybody thinking Joe Manchin could become a Democratic nominee is seriously delusional, and that;s putting it mildly.
You know their trolling right? get on the discord their talking about how much fun it is to saltmine Bernie supporters
Link to the discord?
I'm not no ones talking about raiding it he just wanted to have a link to the discord
Anybody thinking Joe Manchin could become a Democratic nominee is seriously delusional, and that;s putting it mildly.
You know their trolling right? get on the discord their talking about how much fun it is to saltmine Bernie supporters
Pretty childish. So they are just the minority of Americans that don't like Bernie Sanders? Good to know, sounds like they are getting desperate.
^^^
Only 8% of democrats have a negative opinion of Bernie
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