Italy 2013 official results thread

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All together now:

Joke country!

They've made the Greek election look reasonable.

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Oh to see Angela Merkel at this moment.

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From the Guardian:

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Oh my god. This is... bizarre. What is happening?

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From the Guardian:

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Oh my god. This is... bizarre. What is happening?

Italy. Italy is happening. Most incompetent voters in the developed world.

One retort I always hear about the US is that "They elected Bush... twice."

This is crazier than that. Much crazier.

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The latest RAI projection:

SENATO DELLA REPUBBLICA

Centrosinistra 31,1 - 105 seats
Centrodestra 30,5 - 113 seats
Movimento 5 Stelle 24,4 - 63 seats
Scelta Civica 9,5 - 20 seats

CAMERA DELLA REPUBBLICA

Centrosinistra 29,2 - 340 seats
Centrodestra 28,7 - 121 seats
Movimento 5 Stelle 26,1 - 111 seats
Scelta Civica 10,8 - 45 seats

Wait, how does a .5% popular vote lead result in 219 more seats?!

Where have you been?

Italy's electoral system's designed to give a majority to the popular vote winner.

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Maybe it's already been discussed - it's a long tread - but why have the opinion polls been so bad (again)? The last polls, including the illegal "horse polls", predicted IBC winning by ca. 5%. Exit polls predicted the same. After all, they end up with a 0.3% lead.

What's going on here?

A combination of a shy Silvio effect and 5-starers being too young/too unengaged to care for responding to pollsters.

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Beppe Grillo would currently leading the largest party in parliament without their 'majority coalition' rule.

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Grillo would make a better PM of Italy than Steinbruck would make Chancellor, so.........

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Do these Germans realize what they're doing when they say this stuff? I read today that some officials on both sides of the aisle (in Germany, I believe) took to Twitter to call Steinbrück the real clown in all of this.

Yeah. I'm not sure if you've been following the German election, but if you haven't, the guy's pretty unique. His gaffes have been off the charts ever since he was selected as the SDP's candidate for Chancellor.

He's a Mitt Romney/John Kerry style train wreck.

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Oh, and the actual quote

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Of course he's not actually wrong.

Well yeah, but you don't say it when you're vying to be the most powerful man in Europe...

The quote's something you'd expect to see on this thread.

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A REFERENDUM ON EURO...probably they believe that watching a couple of videos on youtube will make every Italian citizen ready to vote on such a vital issue.

Not that crazy...

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A REFERENDUM ON EURO...probably they believe that watching a couple of videos on youtube will make every Italian citizen ready to vote on such a vital issue.

Not that crazy...

Of course crazy. Italy getting out of the Euro would mean full domestic control on the money printing press, which is turned on immediately for all sorts of nice gifts. Inflation, de-valuation every 1-2 years, everybody is happy except for those living on pensions (which are getting eaten up by inflation).

That's exactly the kind of environment you hope for if you intend to bring about fundamental reform, and put an end to corruption and patronage, isn't it?

Well, the Euro's done such great things for Italy over the past few years, hasn't it?

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This "abolish public financing of parties" is one of the most counterproductive ideas of reform floated around in recent times. It's a great gift for parties run by billionaires like Berlusconi.

A REFERENDUM ON EURO...probably they believe that watching a couple of videos on youtube will make every Italian citizen ready to vote on such a vital issue.

Not that crazy...

Of course crazy. Italy getting out of the Euro would mean full domestic control on the money printing press, which is turned on immediately for all sorts of nice gifts. Inflation, de-valuation every 1-2 years, everybody is happy except for those living on pensions (which are getting eaten up by inflation).

That's exactly the kind of environment you hope for if you intend to bring about fundamental reform, and put an end to corruption and patronage, isn't it?

Well, the Euro's done such great things for Italy over the past few years, hasn't it?

Italy has done quite well economically from 2002 to 2008.

So let's cherry pick and forget the last five years in favour of the first six.

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If they're just gonna put in another technocratic government, what the hell's the point in even having an election in the first place?

Very undemocratic.