Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The Rs just said he won't support raising debt ceiling which makes it almost impossible for a 3.5T package down and Manchin to support it

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

It's been time for Sinema and Manchin to stop playing partisan games and get rid of Fillibuster and pass debt Ceiling increase, the 3.5T package, VR and 1.2T, infrastructure, Biden would have 55 percent Approvals

The Rs are just using Sinema and Manchin to get back empowered

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Partianship is gonna end because the debt ceiling is gonna be raised and the Ds need to get all three bills passed just like Last yr.

If need be maybe Debt Ceiling can be combined in Conference, we don't know, but the R obstruction on the debt ceiling cannot be done due to Govt shutdown.

You can't hold debt ceiling hostage means you want to debate spending cuts

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/white-house-warns-economic-catastrophe-143547233.html

I heard on  Morning Joe, Biden is trusting Rs not to Filibuster the debt ceiling and don't give on Reconciliation, LOL they need to put together a package and go to Conference or negotiate a new Budget deal that increases the debt ceiling on 51/50 vote but Manchin only wants 1.5T

Schumer says he is putting the debt Ceiling on the Floor on a a Continuing Resolution on Unanimous consent and trusting Rs not to object, Cruz said he will, stay tuned what hat happens


Lol they went on vacation on not action on Debt ceiling or VR which should of been in budget, non of this is gonna pass if Debt Ceiling is not increased

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Also worth noting, to cut off Alben, McArthur, Millennial Moderate, and the other Republicans with red avs, that the BIB was allowed to pass the Senate, and is being considered in the House, despite absolutely no input from relevant House committees, because they were ensured it would be twinned with a reconciliation package that unscrewed whatever they handed over to Mitt, very explicitly not the president, Romney and his goons.

We are here because Manchin, Sinema, and their house pets are incapable of dealing with other Democrats in good faith. They are the unreasonable ones here.

Nothing is passing without Debt Limit Increase you might as well wait for this package, Yelled said no infrastructure or Anything is passing until Congress lifts the debt Ceiling passed 29T.


Right now Rs are playing politics, they know the debt ceiling needs to be increased every 2 yrs


Thank Goodness Cali is passing 600 checks Congress can't pass anything

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Do you guys understand that none of this is gonna pass anyways if the Debt Ceiling isn't raised, common sense tells you you can't pass a 4T stimulus bill if you can't Raise the Debt Ceiling

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Nothing is happening on Stimulus until the Debt Ceiling is raised they can't pass a 4.7T bill, as I stayed before and Debt Ceiling hasn't been raised

They need to renegotiate their Budget deal and raise the Debt Ceiling

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

https://news.yahoo.com/fears-us-government-shutdown-debt-080030551.html

I repeat there isn't gonna be any 4.7T bill unless the Debt Ceiling is raised, so forget about the Spending bill until the Debt Ceiling is raised that's why Congress didn't renew UBI and Unemployment benefits, and Congress went on vacation and went home every weekend

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

https://news.yahoo.com/clyburn-yarmuth-congress-might-miss-120208401.html

Clyburn says due to Debt Ceiling debate, Congress will miss the Sept 27th deadline, why don't they stop Congressional pay when there is a shutdown, but they rather shut down and Furlough Govt Employees again, we went thru this Shutdown during 2019 already when Ds took control of H

We are in a PANDEMIC we can't afford this

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Why though? What's his justification?

The Debt Ceiling has to be increased before any Spending package is done and the Senate has a 60 vote threshold

He said he wouldn't vote for any UBI or 300 Stimulus that's why


Cassidy said this morning that Rs aren't going along with Debt Ceiling increase that pushes thru a 4.7T spending bill only the 1.2T dollar infrastructure bill

Pelosi was silly the D's went on vacation last month without putting Debt Ceiling in their Budget deal

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Manchin and Sinema don't go in MSNBC where they want to demolish the Filibuster, Manchin only goes on MTP and Fox and CNN and Sinema went on the View

They made it very clear that they don't want to abolish the Filibuster and want a 1.5T package

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Immigration can't be used in Reconciliation is the best news I heard all day, the problem is the Filibuster not the Reconciliation Bill


Where is Brucejoel he was so into immigration reform

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

All my life, I have heard "Nothing will change, regardless who is in Washington". I have also heard "Voting doesn't really matter"

Me, being the nerdy and politically active highschool/college student and than high school civics teacher, would always argue. Elections matter. Elections have consquences.

But now, I kinda understand that point of view. Because of dumbs rules like the filibuster and poitnless rulings from the senate parlimentarian, nothing important is being done.

The biggest things I hoped from a Democratic trifecta were...

-Immigration reform
-Public Option
-15,000 tax credit for first time home owners
-Ban gerrymandering
-Increase teacher pay

Looks like none of that is going to happen. And the B tier I want like Medicaid expansion, paid leave, Pre-K, EBT increase may be watered down so much

Immigration reform is overrated all of Latinos and Asians during Clinton and Bush W jumped over good citizens to get section 8 vouchers due to Dreamers, the more kids you have the easiest to get section 8
Ion share of Afro Americans don't want Immigration reform

So much for immigration reform

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Also, even if you work part time, you qualify for Medicaid, I worked Part time I qualified for Medicaid no need for Public option either if you are unemployment or homeless too you get Medicaid

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Sinema should be expelled from the caucus if we lose. She's no different from Paul Ryan - use the ladder to get rich and pull the ladder up once she gets to the top.

It's most likely gonna be an RH and  DS 52/48 anyways, Biden isn't expelling Sinema and he needs her to win AZ in 2024/ Obama with RH 2012/

That's why he appointed Cindy McCain to Ambassador, The ruling against Amnesty makes it that tough to get thru R Gerrymandering in the H

But, in a Pandemic, Biden stopped enforcement of the Border wall anyways, Harris was supposed to do it and she didn't

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

https://twitter.com/HansNichols/status/1439691939079770118

This is ****ing ridiculous

Again, I simply do not understand why any Dem in their right mind thinks this is a good idea. Especially after seeing what happened to Obama in 2009 when The Dems also decided to delay passing Affordable Care Act until 2010 and we all know how things played out by the end of that same year....

Joe Manchin idiotic plan will not only kill the reconciliation bill it will also kill the bipartisan bill that he claims he wants to pass. Moderate Dems is fooling themselves if they think doing something like this this is actually good for their party. Kyrsten Sinema especially needs a wake up call because if she thinks that helping to further weaken the president of her party is a good idea then she needs look at what happened to all those blue dog Dems who actually believed that voters were going to reward them for voting against Obamacare in 2010 lol

They still ended getting wiped out during those midterms and make no mistake, if kyrsten sinema and other moderate Dems ends up killing Biden's agenda than they will suffer the same fate

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D's aren't gonna lose the Senate, D's lead in every 304 state aside from NV and and NH and those states will comeback to us but the House and the defeat of immigration reform is most likely to flip R since Biden can't defend the Border wall and gerrymandering

It's most likely an RH and 52/48S, our DGovs WI, MI and PA should be Reelected, Shapiro, Whitmer and Evers, SISOLAK, Hobbs etc defend the blue Wall

Obama got Reelected in 2012 with an RH, so can Biden in 2024

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The immigration reform being dropped from Reconciliation has more of a devestating impact than Manchin not siding with D's on 3.5T, it was to get thru the R gerrymandering of districts in R FL and TX, without VR, it's almost impossible for D's to get thru the House Elections and win the H

It was a chance that Manchin would eventually side with D's on a lesser amount in the Final bill

But, Biden didn't secure the border when he needed to and now illegals have no pathway to citizenship without going thru normal channeks

Letting illegals get a free pathway to citizenship by jumping over others, ridiculous

Just like immigrants hopped over people to get Section 8 vouchers because they had Dreamer kids, right

Immigrant activist was so glad Biden became Prez, not they don't have that anymore

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Leader McConnell said Rs are gonna let US Default on Debt Ceiling, a 4.7T spending packing isn't gonna pass unless the Debt Ceiling isn't raised

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Let's wait until a Debt Ceiling increase has actually passed they were supposed to pass it in July and the Treasury had to use extraordinary measures to extend the deadline 3 mnths

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Manchin isn't the only problem did you hear Sinema on the View she will never get rid rid of Filibuster in a million yrs, if D's ever get back in the minority, if you look at Biden Approvals now, they can be in the Minority before 2024/ try 2022/ losing in 2022 and the Ds need the Filibuster in the Minority
.Sinema agrees with Manchin on everything

Biden allowing the Taliban to takeover and then he throws it off and said we should get fveneed the war anyways

I am not saying D's are gonna lose, but Covid will dictate the Election not Biden and Rs can takeover both Houses since Biden didn't Eradicate Covid and Prosecute Trump that he said he would do

D's did not expect Covid to last well into the Midterms they expected Covid over when everyone got vaccinated

Biden said I'd we elected him we would be out of masks and we still in them, what a disappointment

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

If D's wind up in the the Minority in 2023/25 they might need the Filibuster, it's ironic that D's are pressing so hard to End the Filibuster and due to Biden Approvals after he gotten Taliban back in control might wind them up in the Minority

D's weren't supposed to lose in 2014/ I have the map to prove it Landrieu, Pryor, whom had Beebe leading, Michelle Nunn were all leading and a weekend before the Election it fell apart, D's aren't a shoe in anymore after AFGHANISTAN to win 2022

Biden is now at 39% in MI

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I've noticed Brucejoel since Immigration reform has been struck down, he wanted Immigration reform along with Prez Johnson has been missing on this thread, he loved this thread

D's promise to appeal but it's probably not gonna work

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

https://news.yahoo.com/fears-us-government-shutdown-debt-080030551.html

4.7T package won't pass without Debt Ceiling increase and Pelosi won't put it into the budget only Kennedy with Sid to LA is gonna vote for Debt Ceiling increase 9 votes short, because without Reconciliation, it's subject to Filibuster, D's have the votes in H

Either Manchin n and Sinema told her not to or she doesn't have the votes in the H either to support Debt Ceiling in Reconciliation, otherwise she would have done it.

They say child tax credits would be delayed and Govt employees would be furl, again since 2019, for up to 30 days there won't be a Govt shutdown longer.

Where is Cookie Damage or Brucejoel this is their thread, they disappeared when Stimulus apparently won't pass or Immigration reform denied

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I appreciate that posters have different priorities and agendas on all of this, but a couple of things.

The Sept 27 deadline date came to be in order for the Dems to round up enough votes to win the procedural vote to start the reconciliation process in the first instance, because some "rogue" Dems were insisting on a vote on the infrastructure bill on a stand alone basis. The Sept 27 thing was the finesse. Let us get going on reconciliation and you agree to a delay on the infrastructure bill until Sept 27, at which time, infrastructure or no, you get your vote.

How will it work out politically for the Dems if they kill the infrastructure bill because they did not get their way on reconciliation? Is that really a creditable threat for them to make vis a vis the "rogue Dem" caucus? That seems like a bluff to me, and if the Dems really go there, I think the rogue Dems will call it.

We shall see. I see on my screen "Sept 21" (how time flies), so six more days to go - so until this coming Monday! I guess the only people playing on the congressional golf course this weekend will be Pubs.

There won't be a 4=7T dollar spending Bill unless the Govt is fully funded and Debt Ceiling is increased and Mcconnell said he is set to Fillibuster it

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Looming DEBT CEILING DEBACLE IS GONNA COST DS THE H, RS SAID THEY ARE GONNA FILIBUSTER UNLESS DS PUT IT INTO RECONCILIATION EXCEPT Kennedy

Biden is at 31 in IA now

Where are Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Sasse, Portman and Toomey and Capito and Ernst the reasonable Rs

Obviously, Manchin and Sinema aren't going for a Debt Ceiling Increase thru Reconciliation, D's would already put it thru, forget the 4.7T package it won't pass, now

 DS Have the votes in the H, it's obviously the Filibuster and the Senate