UK General Discussion: Rishecession

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/jilllawless/status/1580242409510035458

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/jilllawless/status/1580242409510035458

https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1580243991911870464

[Хahar 🤔]

Nobody gives a quote like "anonymous Tory MP" does.

[mileslunn]

Is Boris Johnson likely to stay on as MP until election or possibly step down triggering a by-election?  His seat was already a marginal even before poll tanking and Labour would almost certainly pick it up so wondering if will stay on.

[Blair]

The funny thing politically is that everything is so bad and only going to get worse so there really isn’t anyway out of this that leaves Truss with a viable political project.

[Torrain]

A couple of other selected highlights from the 1922:

• MP leaving 1922 room after about 30 mins of PM, one quips to hacks through gritted teeth: ‘I’m going to get drunk.’
• Other MPs monosyllabic. Speech was ‘great’ ‘fine’. One helpfully deadpans ‘the Prime Minister spoke to us’.
• Liz Truss was accused of “betraying” blue collar conservatism by one of her MPs in tonight’s 1922 committee. Apparently the PM looked shellshocked at the attack
• So keen was one MP for us to know how well Truss was doing down that they thumped on the inside of the committee room door for about 20 seconds. We did wonder for a moment if they were trapped and trying to get out...
• One Tory MP describes Truss' appearance at the 1922 committee as "funereal." Another, asked if she had done more to reassure colleagues, replies "absolutely not."
• After PM's appearance at the 1922 tonight, one Tory MP told me it was the "worst 1922 I've ever been to". They said: "With each tough question she looked like she’s had the wind knocked out of her, 31st Oct could finish her off on the basis of the reception she got in that room."
• A pro-Truss MP admitted there was "a big split" but they wanted her to "plough on ahead" with anyone who rebels losing the whip. If PM rows back they said she will have "been leveraged into that position by our own party" and those agitating were those "with 20,000 majorities".

One MP has been named as attacking Truss during the meeting: Robert Halfon, who chairs the education select committee, told Truss she had "trashed the last 10 years" of the Conservative economic record, according to one colleague.

I remember when Johnson addressed the 1922 after several rounds of partygate, and while the mood was dire, there were always some MPs who'd come out with a spring in their step, concerns assuaged - and always a few journalists briefing that the mood within the party had rallied.

In contrast, this just sounds dire.

[YL]

BTW West Dorset is a mistake on the Election Maps UNS projection from that "Blue Wall" poll: it got swapped with Wimbledon.  Totnes and Tunbridge Wells are real though.  (Well, as real as UNS projections based on polls in a weird selection of seats get.)

[YL]

Stephen Hammond (the MP for the ultra marginal Tory-Lib Dem seat of Wimbledon, not to be confused with Philip Hammond, May’s former Chancellor), has broken cover as the first Tory MP to openly call for Trussonomics to be scrapped:

Hammond is one of a handful of survivors from the 21 MPs who had the whip removed by Johnson in September 2019, so does have some history as a rebel.

[YL]

Is Boris Johnson likely to stay on as MP until election or possibly step down triggering a by-election?  His seat was already a marginal even before poll tanking and Labour would almost certainly pick it up so wondering if will stay on.

I think he'd probably have already quit if that was his plan, and of course there are suggestions that he's hoping to make a comeback as PM.  I suppose there's always a chance that some job offer might tempt him out, though, and there's also still the possibility of a recall petition.

There was a rumour that he was going to try to move seats by standing in the Mid Bedfordshire by-election caused by Nadine Dorries's rumoured move to the Lords.  But that would always have been a bizarre and risky thing to do, and on current polling it would just be a question of which of Labour and the Lib Dems would take the seat.

[Wiswylfen]

A couple of other selected highlights from the 1922:

• MP leaving 1922 room after about 30 mins of PM, one quips to hacks through gritted teeth: ‘I’m going to get drunk.’
• Other MPs monosyllabic. Speech was ‘great’ ‘fine’. One helpfully deadpans ‘the Prime Minister spoke to us’.
• Liz Truss was accused of “betraying” blue collar conservatism by one of her MPs in tonight’s 1922 committee. Apparently the PM looked shellshocked at the attack
• So keen was one MP for us to know how well Truss was doing down that they thumped on the inside of the committee room door for about 20 seconds. We did wonder for a moment if they were trapped and trying to get out...
• One Tory MP describes Truss' appearance at the 1922 committee as "funereal." Another, asked if she had done more to reassure colleagues, replies "absolutely not."
• After PM's appearance at the 1922 tonight, one Tory MP told me it was the "worst 1922 I've ever been to". They said: "With each tough question she looked like she’s had the wind knocked out of her, 31st Oct could finish her off on the basis of the reception she got in that room."
• A pro-Truss MP admitted there was "a big split" but they wanted her to "plough on ahead" with anyone who rebels losing the whip. If PM rows back they said she will have "been leveraged into that position by our own party" and those agitating were those "with 20,000 majorities".

One MP has been named as attacking Truss during the meeting: Robert Halfon, who chairs the education select committee, told Truss she had "trashed the last 10 years" of the Conservative economic record, according to one colleague.

I remember when Johnson addressed the 1922 after several rounds of partygate, and while the mood was dire, there were always some MPs who'd come out with a spring in their step, concerns assuaged - and always a few journalists briefing that the mood within the party had rallied.

In contrast, this just sounds dire.

Presumably the ones with 20,000-vote majorities are agitating in fear of losing their seats.

Halfon of course wanted to rename the Conservatives the Workers’ Party and change their logo to a ladder. MP for Harlow in Essex with a majority of 14,000 votes/over 30 points but on current polls and past results in new towns like the one he represents a certain defeat in these conditions.

[Alcibiades]

Stephen Hammond (the MP for the ultra marginal Tory-Lib Dem seat of Wimbledon, not to be confused with Philip Hammond, May’s former Chancellor), has broken cover as the first Tory MP to openly call for Trussonomics to be scrapped:

Hammond is one of a handful of survivors from the 21 MPs who had the whip removed by Johnson in September 2019, so does have some history as a rebel.

My MP. He’s a quiet, low-profile party loyalist by nature, but he’s also not stupid and aware of the political realities he faces in his seat; that said, that he’s speaking up at all shows how serious things are. That said, I don’t think there’s really anything he can do to save himself now, considering he was already heavy favourite to lose before all this, having only won by 600 votes in 2019.

[If my soul was made of stone]

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1580227603645878272

Tories hold Norwich North? Dave Rowntree just can't catch a break. Should've played in a better band and stayed out of the Cool Britannia astroturf circlejerk that everyone's soured on since imo tbh

[brucejoel99]

F**kin' ay:

https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1580268039643070464

[EastAnglianLefty]

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1580227603645878272

Tories hold Norwich North? Dave Rowntree just can't catch a break. Should've played in a better band and stayed out of the Cool Britannia astroturf circlejerk that everyone's soured on since imo tbh

The light blue stuff wasn't polled.

[Torrain]

https://mobile.twitter.com/peston/status/1580262987402616837?s=46&t=FFecqrgK...
This would almost certainly not be borne out in practise. But the fact that members of the cabinet have reached the point where they’ve decided it’s appropriate to brief the ITV Political Editor that Truss has likely lost the confidence of the House, right before he goes on air, really shows you how much worse things have become today.

[Pericles]

F**kin' ay:

https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1580268039643070464

After the scare they got from Theresa May, they should have at least vetted for charisma. Ridiculous.

[Cassius]

F**kin' ay:

https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1580268039643070464

After the scare they got from Theresa May, they should have at least vetted for charisma. Ridiculous.

Truss is much, much worse on that front than May.

[omar04]

A couple of other selected highlights from the 1922:

• MP leaving 1922 room after about 30 mins of PM, one quips to hacks through gritted teeth: ‘I’m going to get drunk.’
• Other MPs monosyllabic. Speech was ‘great’ ‘fine’. One helpfully deadpans ‘the Prime Minister spoke to us’.
• Liz Truss was accused of “betraying” blue collar conservatism by one of her MPs in tonight’s 1922 committee. Apparently the PM looked shellshocked at the attack
• So keen was one MP for us to know how well Truss was doing down that they thumped on the inside of the committee room door for about 20 seconds. We did wonder for a moment if they were trapped and trying to get out...
• One Tory MP describes Truss' appearance at the 1922 committee as "funereal." Another, asked if she had done more to reassure colleagues, replies "absolutely not."
• After PM's appearance at the 1922 tonight, one Tory MP told me it was the "worst 1922 I've ever been to". They said: "With each tough question she looked like she’s had the wind knocked out of her, 31st Oct could finish her off on the basis of the reception she got in that room."
• A pro-Truss MP admitted there was "a big split" but they wanted her to "plough on ahead" with anyone who rebels losing the whip. If PM rows back they said she will have "been leveraged into that position by our own party" and those agitating were those "with 20,000 majorities".

One MP has been named as attacking Truss during the meeting: Robert Halfon, who chairs the education select committee, told Truss she had "trashed the last 10 years" of the Conservative economic record, according to one colleague.

I remember when Johnson addressed the 1922 after several rounds of partygate, and while the mood was dire, there were always some MPs who'd come out with a spring in their step, concerns assuaged - and always a few journalists briefing that the mood within the party had rallied.

In contrast, this just sounds dire.

Ah yes, the economic record of poor quality jobs and the slowest productivity growth since WW2.

[Pericles]

F**kin' ay:

https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1580268039643070464

After the scare they got from Theresa May, they should have at least vetted for charisma. Ridiculous.

Truss is much, much worse on that front than May.

Exactly, why MPs who have their own jobs on the line let her be a candidate for PM is one of the stupidest decisions in recent British political history.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

F**kin' ay:

https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1580268039643070464

After the scare they got from Theresa May, they should have at least vetted for charisma. Ridiculous.

Truss is much, much worse on that front than May.

Yes, May at least had some gravitas wheras Truss carries student politician vibes.

[Torrain]

From this evening's audience:
Truss: Your majesty, it's lovely to see you again.
Charles: So you've come back again
Truss: It's a great pleasure.
Charles: Dear oh dear. Anyway...

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

From this evening's audience:
Truss: Your majesty, it's lovely to see you again.
Charles: So you've come back again
Truss: It's a great pleasure.
Charles: Dear oh dear. Anyway...

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I wonder if Truss has a humiliation kink. From weeks of record low poll ratings, to her cabinet nearing the point of revolt, to being openly dissed by the King in front of the cameras, how has she not stepped down yet? Most people probably would’ve called it quits by now.

I will say, you have to at least admire her mental fortitude.

[MABA 2020]

F**kin' ay:

https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1580268039643070464

Nothing gives me more joy than Tories briefing anonymously about how screwed they are, it always makes my evening.

[TheTide]

From this evening's audience:
Truss: Your majesty, it's lovely to see you again.
Charles: So you've come back again
Truss: It's a great pleasure.
Charles: Dear oh dear. Anyway...

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I wonder if Truss has a humiliation kink. From weeks of record low poll ratings, to her cabinet nearing the point of revolt, to being openly dissed by the King in front of the cameras, how has she not stepped down yet? Most people probably would’ve called it quits by now.

I will say, you have to at least admire her mental fortitude.

She is known to be into BDSM, as a thread on this board goes into.

[Torrain]

I wonder if Truss has a humiliation kink. From weeks of record low poll ratings, to her cabinet nearing the point of revolt, to being openly dissed by the King in front of the cameras, how has she not stepped down yet? Most people probably would’ve called it quits by now.

I will say, you have to at least admire her mental fortitude.

Whatever her deal is - it has to be exhausting to be so unpopular that even the Windsors think it’s safe to take potshots at you.