Does the Jesus Christ Party have an effective monopoly over Atlasian politics?

[MaxQue]

Marokai, why did you not vote for bgwah/Meeker?

I'm not Marokai, but I didn't voted for bgwah/Meeker because it was a unity ticket between the left and the "right" who had no sense. I supported various SDP and leftist write-ins.

And add than Xahar brainwashed me.

[Scam of God]

Newsflash: That was precisely the problem. The left was needlessly split. The SDP joined the JCP, and we moved forward in a unified fashion. It was because of silly rivalries and antsy-pants people jumping around all the time that the left-wing couldn't form a powerful voting bloc.

Same situation here, except on the right. You need to settle down, regroup, and work out your silly issues and image problems.

That's just the thing: I'm not interested in breaking up the JCP hegemony just so the RPP can swoop in and establish their own. Too much of that thing is unhealthy for competitive Party politics and democracy. I want to stop hegemonic rule from ever being established again, by re-orienting the Party structure so as to make it more ideologically balanced, and more competitive. I'm not saying you people should roll over next election - I'm saying you should split willingly along ideological lines, as should the RPP.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Two party systems aren't fun anyways. We need competitive elections and a two party system doesn't provide that. Electoral coalition building is the purpose of this game.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Newsflash: That was precisely the problem. The left was needlessly split. The SDP joined the JCP, and we moved forward in a unified fashion. It was because of silly rivalries and antsy-pants people jumping around all the time that the left-wing couldn't form a powerful voting bloc.

Same situation here, except on the right. You need to settle down, regroup, and work out your silly issues and image problems.

That's just the thing: I'm not interested in breaking up the JCP hegemony just so the RPP can swoop in and establish their own. Too much of that thing is unhealthy for competitive Party politics and democracy. I want to stop hegemonic rule from ever being established again, by re-orienting the Party structure so as to make it more ideologically balanced, and more competitive. I'm not saying you people should roll over next election - I'm saying you should split willingly along ideological lines, as should the RPP.

Agreed. The RPP is no better for me than the JCP. In fact, the RPP is worse than the JCP. At least I agree with some JCP members.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Marokai, why did you not vote for bgwah/Meeker?

I'm not Marokai, but I didn't voted for bgwah/Meeker because it was a unity ticket between the left and the "right" who had no sense. I supported various SDP and leftist write-ins.

And add than Xahar brainwashed me.

bgwah and Meeker are both leftists.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Marokai, why did you not vote for bgwah/Meeker?

I'm not Marokai, but I didn't voted for bgwah/Meeker because it was a unity ticket between the left and the "right" who had no sense. I supported various SDP and leftist write-ins.

And add than Xahar brainwashed me.

bgwah and Meeker are both leftists.

They were a unity ticket at the time.

Newsflash: That was precisely the problem. The left was needlessly split. The SDP joined the JCP, and we moved forward in a unified fashion. It was because of silly rivalries and antsy-pants people jumping around all the time that the left-wing couldn't form a powerful voting bloc.

Same situation here, except on the right. You need to settle down, regroup, and work out your silly issues and image problems.

That's just the thing: I'm not interested in breaking up the JCP hegemony just so the RPP can swoop in and establish their own. Too much of that thing is unhealthy for competitive Party politics and democracy. I want to stop hegemonic rule from ever being established again, by re-orienting the Party structure so as to make it more ideologically balanced, and more competitive. I'm not saying you people should roll over next election - I'm saying you should split willingly along ideological lines, as should the RPP.

Agreed. The RPP is no better for me than the JCP. In fact, the RPP is worse than the JCP. At least I agree with some JCP members.

And now you just sound like Xahar in the SDP vs. JCP days. You maintain a split in the right and then blame the left for the current political system. Simply stunning.

[Хahar 🤔]

Marokai, why did you not vote for bgwah/Meeker?

Because I didn't believe Bgwah was doing much as President and Xahar had brainwashed me into thinking of the JCP as our rivals, when we really had alot in common.

It wasn't until later that I realized alot of the SDP was founded or comprised of at one point or another, people who have silly age-old "he took my lunch money" problems with the JCP they can't get over.

Pah!

The SDP was created to fill a void in the left. Obviously, there was such a void, or it would not have grown so fast. The JCP was confined to its stagnant backwater, the Pacific. It was not the left-wing party until you made it so.

Stop pushing your revisionist history.

[Alexander Hamilton]

bgwah/Meeker are not of the right. They may have been supported by some on the right, but AndrewCT/afleitch actually WAS a right-wing ticket, Marokai. The "right" actually supported leftists.

Marokai, why must I be on "the right"? What prevents me from identifying as center, or even left? Have my policies been of the right?

[Alexander Hamilton]

I agree with Xahar, ftr. The SDP filled a hole in the spectrum at the time, as the ARC has now.

[Scam of God]

And now you just sound like Xahar in the SDP vs. JCP days. You maintain a split in the right and then blame the left for the current political system. Simply stunning.

Where the Hell do you get off saying this is some sort of Secret Rightist Conspiracy to deprive the JCP its rightful place in the sun? If you hadn't noticed, I squabble far more with the RPP than I do with your Party's members, and my suggestion would give rise to a populist/authoritarian Party, which is politically my opposite. It's not the forum's leftist hegemony that bothers me, it's the fact that this hegemony is asserted by essentially one Party, which cheapens the game.

[Хahar 🤔]

And add than Xahar brainwashed me.

What's this now?

[Alexander Hamilton]

I would be saying the exact same thing if the idiot RPPers were in power.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Marokai, why did you not vote for bgwah/Meeker?

Because I didn't believe Bgwah was doing much as President and Xahar had brainwashed me into thinking of the JCP as our rivals, when we really had alot in common.

It wasn't until later that I realized alot of the SDP was founded or comprised of at one point or another, people who have silly age-old "he took my lunch money" problems with the JCP they can't get over.

Pah!

The SDP was created to fill a void in the left. Obviously, there was such a void, or it would not have grown so fast. The JCP was confined to its stagnant backwater, the Pacific. It was not the left-wing party until you made it so.

Stop pushing your revisionist history.

The JCP was a left-wing party then just as it is today, just more politically viable. There was no void in the left in any real way. The void in the left was created by people like Lewis, yourself, Earl, Al, etc. All people that simply have immature school-cafeteria problems with the JCP and refuse to work with them.

Many in the LNF today, still consist of that bunch. You're not a left-wing party, you are a left-wing "anti-bgwah" party.

bgwah/Meeker are not of the right. They may have been supported by some on the right, but AndrewCT/afleitch actually WAS a right-wing ticket, Marokai. The "right" actually supported leftists.

Marokai, why must I be on "the right"? What prevents me from identifying as center, or even left? Have my policies been of the right?

I don't know what you are this week, but the point is that I simply was new and didn't understand a great deal at the time. I had been in Atlasia for barely three months and hadn't participated much toward the end of December and in most of January because of Christmas and then a trip I made to New England.

I also initially supported Bgwah by the way, but just changed my mind. It was a vote based on who would be more active or who reached out to my vote more at the time. I was a newbie, and I voted, retrospectively, the wrong way.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I agree with Xahar, ftr. The SDP filled a hole in the spectrum at the time, as the ARC has now.

No no, you're the inverse of the LNF, the right-wing "anti-RPP" party.

[Scam of God]

I agree with Xahar, ftr. The SDP filled a hole in the spectrum at the time, as the ARC has now.

No no, you're the inverse of the LNF, the right-wing "anti-RPP" party.

Except we're not right-wing.

[Alexander Hamilton]

bgwah/Meeker are not of the right. They may have been supported by some on the right, but AndrewCT/afleitch actually WAS a right-wing ticket, Marokai. The "right" actually supported leftists.

Marokai, why must I be on "the right"? What prevents me from identifying as center, or even left? Have my policies been of the right?

I don't know what you are this week, but the point is that I simply was new and didn't understand a great deal at the time. I had been in Atlasia for barely three months and hadn't participated much toward the end of December and in most of January because of Christmas and then a trip I made to New England.

I also initially supported Bgwah by the way, but just changed my mind. It was a vote based on who would be more active or who reached out to my vote more at the time. I was a newbie, and I voted, retrospectively, the wrong way.

When have I EVER changed ideology? I am a progressive centrist, somewhat of a liberal with a few left-libertarian views.

[Sewer]

You're not a left-wing party, you are a left-wing "anti-bgwah" party.

But I'm not anti-bgwah.

[Marokai Backbeat]

You're not a left-wing party, you are a left-wing "anti-bgwah" party.

But I'm not anti-bgwah.

You're one of the good ones.

I agree with Xahar, ftr. The SDP filled a hole in the spectrum at the time, as the ARC has now.

No no, you're the inverse of the LNF, the right-wing "anti-RPP" party.

Except we're not right-wing.

In Atlasia, our political spectrum is more European. Economic views tend to be the biggest determining factor in ideology here. (Unless you're a strong social conservative, but that's a small minority, thankfully.)

[Alexander Hamilton]

Einzige is an economic moderate. PM scores are not representative of actual views.

[Хahar 🤔]

Marokai, why did you not vote for bgwah/Meeker?

Because I didn't believe Bgwah was doing much as President and Xahar had brainwashed me into thinking of the JCP as our rivals, when we really had alot in common.

It wasn't until later that I realized alot of the SDP was founded or comprised of at one point or another, people who have silly age-old "he took my lunch money" problems with the JCP they can't get over.

Pah!

The SDP was created to fill a void in the left. Obviously, there was such a void, or it would not have grown so fast. The JCP was confined to its stagnant backwater, the Pacific. It was not the left-wing party until you made it so.

Stop pushing your revisionist history.

The JCP was a left-wing party then just as it is today, just more politically viable. There was no void in the left in any real way. The void in the left was created by people like Lewis, yourself, Earl, Al, etc. All people that simply have immature school-cafeteria problems with the JCP and refuse to work with them.

Many in the LNF today, still consist of that bunch. You're not a left-wing party, you are a left-wing "anti-bgwah" party.

Listen. It's clear you know not that of which you speak. The JCP was not a major party. It had no presence outside the Pacific. It had elected Friz and Everett to the Senate. Successful left-wing parties had existed without the JCP. Why on Earth would anyone join the JCP?

Your pronouncements are getting old. Analyzing this from your (flawed) modern perspective is meaningless. You once made the preposterous claim that Condorcet methods were advanced to help the SDP. Do you remember that? For God's sake, shut up!

[Alexander Hamilton]

Everett is more right-wing than most of the ARC, lol.

[Scam of God]

We - or, at least, I - am not even economically right-wing. Would an economic right-winger support investment in three-dimensional printing and rapid fabricating technology, so as to hurry up the democratization of the means of production and accomplish a Marxian goal without the revolution? Would an economic right-winger specifically target those industries the real right-wingers like to support with subsidies (agribusiness and the defense industry)?

Moreover, what you just said -

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- is, imo, part of the problem, and part of the reason for our recent stagnation.

[Sewer]

PM scores are not representative of actual views.

Yeah look at me, i'm a socialist whih a PM Economic score of -3.55.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Any party that can elect an idiotic hack like Lief is obviously too strong.

[MaxQue]

Any party that can elect an idiotic hack like Lief is obviously too strong.

I won't let you insult him any longer.