Is premarital sex immoral?

[DavidB.]

Lean no, but it's still best not to do it outside serious and lasting relationships. The more people you have it with, the more it is "cheapened" in terms of meaning. But it is difficult in this day and age, when people marry very late.

[DavidB.]

Lean no, but it's still best not to do it outside serious and lasting relationships. The more people you have it with, the more it is "cheapened" in terms of meaning. But it is difficult in this day and age, when people marry very late.

This. Huh, guess there are still things we agree on.

It makes sense, given that we're both not (or in your case not really, correct me if I'm wrong) Christian, but have grown increasingly communitarian and skeptical of certain aspects of the modern world, including individualism (and the interaction between capitalism and individualism).

I've never understood how/why sex is considered immoral.

You probably forgot to include "consensual" here...

[DavidB.]

"It's between consenting adults" works well as a legal argument, and I'm pleasantly surprised to see at least some posters restraining themselves to using it as one, but as a moral argument it's too presuppositional of a generally libertarian and individualistic moral framework to convince anybody who doesn't share those presuppositions.

I'm far from a libertarian, whether from a political or from a moral standpoint, but when it comes to the issue of premarital sex I still have trouble finding it immoral for this reason.

Immoral is a strong word. For someone who is not a Christian (or Muslim, or Orthodox and Orthoprax Jew - but I think Jews would overall be less likely to emphasize the immoral aspect of it-), consent just seems the most logical basis on which you can judge the morality of it.