Israel-Gaza war

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

UN report says destruction of housing in Gaza hasn't seen been since WWII: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/unprecedented-destruction-housing-gaza-world-war-ii-109888554

I've been pretty critical of the protests especially since it seems that at least a good chunk of the protesters seem outright pro-Hamas and are not pro-ceasefire...but this sort of stuff hits so much. I was kind of floored when this article was pushed to me. And none of this is even necessary to go after Hamas, with the size of Gaza Israel could've occupied with it with minimal damage in a couple weeks. Netanyahu's crimes continue to pile up.

[GeneralMacArthur]

UN report says destruction of housing in Gaza hasn't seen been since WWII: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/unprecedented-destruction-housing-gaza-world-war-ii-109888554

I've been pretty critical of the protests especially since it seems that at least a good chunk of the protesters seem outright pro-Hamas and are not pro-ceasefire...but this sort of stuff hits so much. I was kind of floored when this article was pushed to me. And none of this is even necessary to go after Hamas, with the size of Gaza Israel could've occupied with it with minimal damage in a couple weeks. Netanyahu's crimes continue to pile up.

It's a dense urban area and pretty much every house is potentially a Hamas hideout, base, or covering up a tunnel entrance.  Only two ways to kill Hamas fighters -- either blow them up with bombs/tanks/artillery, or shoot them in street fighting.  The former option obviously destroys the house.  The latter option involves pursuing Hamas as they freely go from civilian household to civilian household turning one after the other into military posts -- which you should then blow up in order to avoid putting your soldiers in harm's way.

Remember that bodycam video a couple weeks ago where some IDF soldiers were pursuing a Hamas militant through an apartment building, and then he lured them into a room and it was a trap and they were being shot at and fled the room?  Pro-Hamas people were posting it all over the internet and laughing at how "cowardly" the IDF soldiers were for not putting their lives at risk engaging with this fight.  But now Israel knows that guy and his buddies are holed up in the apartment building so they can either blast that specific room with a tank from across the street, or they can drop a bomb on the entire building, and in either case they won't have any harm come to their own soldiers.

These are the decisions actually being made on the ground.  Israel isn't just blowing up buildings for kicks.  They have to make a tradeoff in every single one of these situations -- either let the guy go free (to kill more IDF soldiers) or try to capture him with just ground forces (and risk him killing your soldiers) or just blow his brains out from the stratosphere (no risk, but also destroys a Palestinian apartment building).  The end result after six months of fighting is a lot of destroyed Palestinian apartment buildings.

[Horus]

Deluzio and Crow have both been staunchly pro war, so this is significant.

https://twitter.com/dylanotes/status/1786485453455012264?t=Zu_lW-TFp8PQLtFUnyzZM...

[MyLifeIsYours]

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1786418458768634164

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1786418458768634164

There's a deal on the table that would avoid this.

[All Along The Watchtower]

UN report says destruction of housing in Gaza hasn't seen been since WWII: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/unprecedented-destruction-housing-gaza-world-war-ii-109888554

I've been pretty critical of the protests especially since it seems that at least a good chunk of the protesters seem outright pro-Hamas and are not pro-ceasefire...but this sort of stuff hits so much. I was kind of floored when this article was pushed to me. And none of this is even necessary to go after Hamas, with the size of Gaza Israel could've occupied with it with minimal damage in a couple weeks. Netanyahu's crimes continue to pile up.

It's a dense urban area and pretty much every house is potentially a Hamas hideout, base, or covering up a tunnel entrance.  Only two ways to kill Hamas fighters -- either blow them up with bombs/tanks/artillery, or shoot them in street fighting.  The former option obviously destroys the house.  The latter option involves pursuing Hamas as they freely go from civilian household to civilian household turning one after the other into military posts -- which you should then blow up in order to avoid putting your soldiers in harm's way.

Remember that bodycam video a couple weeks ago where some IDF soldiers were pursuing a Hamas militant through an apartment building, and then he lured them into a room and it was a trap and they were being shot at and fled the room?  Pro-Hamas people were posting it all over the internet and laughing at how "cowardly" the IDF soldiers were for not putting their lives at risk engaging with this fight.  But now Israel knows that guy and his buddies are holed up in the apartment building so they can either blast that specific room with a tank from across the street, or they can drop a bomb on the entire building, and in either case they won't have any harm come to their own soldiers.

These are the decisions actually being made on the ground.  Israel isn't just blowing up buildings for kicks.  They have to make a tradeoff in every single one of these situations -- either let the guy go free (to kill more IDF soldiers) or try to capture him with just ground forces (and risk him killing your soldiers) or just blow his brains out from the stratosphere (no risk, but also destroys a Palestinian apartment building).  The end result after six months of fighting is a lot of destroyed Palestinian apartment buildings.

This is all the more reason to not attack Gaza.

Of course this isn’t really about Hamas or the hostages, it’s about reversing what Israel did in 2005 and going even further.

[Pres Mike]

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1786418458768634164

There's a deal on the table that would avoid this.

It should never have reached this point. Israel could have quickly seized the Gaza Strip early in the conflict, like it did in 2009. Netanyahu has greatly prolonged the conflict to stay in power.

[ꙮ]

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1786418458768634164

There's a deal on the table that would avoid this.

It should never have reached this point. Israel could have quickly seized the Gaza Strip early in the conflict, like it did in 2009. Netanyahu has greatly prolonged the conflict to stay in power.

Honestly the thing that has me against the war at this point. There is absolutely no reason it should still be going on 7 months later unless the utter destruction of Gaza was a terminal goal. The fact that Netanyahu's gov still doesn't have the slightest plan for what happens after the war ends is damning.

We should not send another penny to Israel unless they actually finish the war, move to establish a two-state solution, and end the colonization program. In all likelyhood they would continue regardless, but they should do so without any support from us.

Maybe this scheme people have started talking about recently involving Arab recognition actually happens, probably not. I wouldn't get my hopes up.

[MyLifeIsYours]

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1786418458768634164

There's a deal on the table that would avoid this.

It should never have reached this point. Israel could have quickly seized the Gaza Strip early in the conflict, like it did in 2009. Netanyahu has greatly prolonged the conflict to stay in power.

While that is certainly one factor, it is hard to avoid seeing any decision to prolong the conflict as collective punishment of the residents of Gaza... which is a war crime (or arguably, several of them).

[GeneralMacArthur]

This is all the more reason to not attack Gaza.

Of course this isn’t really about Hamas or the hostages, it’s about reversing what Israel did in 2005 and going even further.

Well, Israel wouldn't have attacked Gaza, if Hamas hadn't decided to start a war on 10/7.

Palestine doesn't get immunity from the consequences of their attacks just because they're weak and vulnerable.  Being so terrible at protecting your own people that any war you start will inevitably result in lots of them dying is not the invincibility star from super mario bros.

[Horus]

https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1786717441529188604?t=cCLNz_PoA016U-VZiwhp...

[GeneralMacArthur]

Any report that says "cease-fire deal" without specifying the details is being dishonest.

The fundamental conflict here is whether or not Hamas gets to continue controlling Gaza.

Hamas has proposed/accepted plenty of "cease-fire deals" where the terms are, Israel will completely withdraw its troops and the war will end without any conditions.

Obviously Israel is not going to accept any such deal since that is tantamount to an Israeli surrender.

Israel, for its part, has proposed plenty of "cease-fire deals" that involve, in some form or another, Hamas exiting the Gaza Strip.

Hamas has thus far refused to accept those deals.

This has has the result that Israel will possibly invade Rafah within the week and forcibly exit Hamas from the Gaza Strip by putting a bullet between their eyes.

But all this talk of a "cease-fire deal" without giving any of the terms only serves to mislead people.  Most people say they would like a cease-fire.  Most people also say they would like Hamas to exit the Gaza Strip.  These are two fundamentally contradictory things in the eyes of Hamas, who refuse to accept any cease-fire deal that does not leave them in power in Gaza.

You guys talk a big game about how much you care about Palestine, but also claim that the Palestinians are oppressed hostages of a tyrannical Hamas dictatorship.  So you should be upset about this!  You should want the Palestinian people liberated and Hamas expelled!  But instead you carry water for Hamas by lending credence to their malarkey claims of "Israel rejected the cease fire we graciously offered."

[Horus]

Haaretz is Hamas now?

[Mr. Illini]

Israel is shutting down Al Jazeera’s operations and broadcasting effective immediately

https://apnews.com/article/eba9416aea82f505ab908ee60d1de5e4

[Devout Centrist]

You guys talk a big game about how much you care about Palestine, but also claim that the Palestinians are oppressed hostages of a tyrannical Hamas dictatorship.  So you should be upset about this!  You should want the Palestinian people liberated and Hamas expelled!  But instead you carry water for Hamas by lending credence to their malarkey claims of "Israel rejected the cease fire we graciously offered."

This quote only makes sense if:

1. The IDF can wipe out Hamas and the other militant outfits like PIJ without killing many, many more civilians.
2. Israel somehow helps the Palestinian Authority gain and cement its administration of Gaza.

This won’t happen for obvious reasons (the entire point of Netanyahu and Likud cynically propping up Hamas was to weaken the Palestinian Authority and the liberation movement itself). The IDF can’t or won’t be able to liberate Gazans from Hamas.

[MyLifeIsYours]

Israel is shutting down Al Jazeera’s operations and broadcasting effective immediately

https://apnews.com/article/eba9416aea82f505ab908ee60d1de5e4

This is a threat to press freedom and should be condemned by all journalists and media outlets. Al Jazeera has been bringing some of the most in-depth coverage on the atroctious in Gaza. This is North Korea level of censorship.


Let's now focus on honoring the courageous journalists who have been covering the conflict on the ground.

The Price of Truth’ –UNESCO Awards Palestinian Journalists the World Press Freedom Prize.

Palestinian journalists covering Israel’s genocidal attack on Gaza have been awarded the 2024 UNESCO/Guillermo Cano World Press Freedom Prize, following the recommendation of an international jury of media professionals.

The announcement received a standing ovation at the World Press Freedom Conference in Santiago, Chile on Friday.

“I feel joy and pride, but it’s a joy mixed with a sadness for the loss of the martyrs of the Palestinian press,” said Nasser Abu Baker, the President of the Palestinian Journalists Syndicate as he received the award on behalf of all Palestinian journalists.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Israel is shutting down Al Jazeera’s operations and broadcasting effective immediately

https://apnews.com/article/eba9416aea82f505ab908ee60d1de5e4

Good , and it’s justified the same way it was justified for us to shut down RT.

[Horus]

You guys talk a big game about how much you care about Palestine, but also claim that the Palestinians are oppressed hostages of a tyrannical Hamas dictatorship.  So you should be upset about this!  You should want the Palestinian people liberated and Hamas expelled!  But instead you carry water for Hamas by lending credence to their malarkey claims of "Israel rejected the cease fire we graciously offered."

This quote only makes sense if:

1. The IDF can wipe out Hamas and the other militant outfits like PIJ without killing many, many more civilians.
2. Israel somehow helps the Palestinian Authority gain and cement its administration of Gaza.

This won’t happen for obvious reasons (the entire point of Netanyahu and Likud cynically propping up Hamas was to weaken the Palestinian Authority and the liberation movement itself). The IDF can’t or won’t be able to liberate Gazans from Hamas.

I have never seen a pro Israel poster directly respond to the bolded part with anything besides some broad "Bibi has to go but the Palestinians are 100% to blame."

[OSR stands with Israel]

You guys talk a big game about how much you care about Palestine, but also claim that the Palestinians are oppressed hostages of a tyrannical Hamas dictatorship.  So you should be upset about this!  You should want the Palestinian people liberated and Hamas expelled!  But instead you carry water for Hamas by lending credence to their malarkey claims of "Israel rejected the cease fire we graciously offered."

This quote only makes sense if:

1. The IDF can wipe out Hamas and the other militant outfits like PIJ without killing many, many more civilians.
2. Israel somehow helps the Palestinian Authority gain and cement its administration of Gaza.

This won’t happen for obvious reasons (the entire point of Netanyahu and Likud cynically propping up Hamas was to weaken the Palestinian Authority and the liberation movement itself). The IDF can’t or won’t be able to liberate Gazans from Hamas.

I have never seen a pro Israel poster directly respond to the bolded part with anything besides some broad "Bibi has to go but the Palestinians are 100% to blame."

Bibi has to go because he is bad for Israel not cause of his view on the war. Israel's intelligence agencies weakened under his watch because he was more interested in pushing constitutional reform then he was in keeping them strong and because of that he needs to go 

[Horus]

You guys talk a big game about how much you care about Palestine, but also claim that the Palestinians are oppressed hostages of a tyrannical Hamas dictatorship.  So you should be upset about this!  You should want the Palestinian people liberated and Hamas expelled!  But instead you carry water for Hamas by lending credence to their malarkey claims of "Israel rejected the cease fire we graciously offered."

This quote only makes sense if:

1. The IDF can wipe out Hamas and the other militant outfits like PIJ without killing many, many more civilians.
2. Israel somehow helps the Palestinian Authority gain and cement its administration of Gaza.

This won’t happen for obvious reasons (the entire point of Netanyahu and Likud cynically propping up Hamas was to weaken the Palestinian Authority and the liberation movement itself). The IDF can’t or won’t be able to liberate Gazans from Hamas.

I have never seen a pro Israel poster directly respond to the bolded part with anything besides some broad "Bibi has to go but the Palestinians are 100% to blame."

Bibi has to go because he is bad for Israel not cause of his view on the war. Israel's intelligence agencies weakened under his watch because he was more interested in pushing constitutional reform then he was in keeping them strong and because of that he needs to go 

So you're fine with him propping up Hamas?

[Progressive Pessimist]

https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1786717441529188604?t=cCLNz_PoA016U-VZiwhp...

Yay?

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1786717441529188604?t=cCLNz_PoA016U-VZiwhp...

Yay?

It was a terrible deal

https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1786666447160177068

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1786717441529188604?t=cCLNz_PoA016U-VZiwhp...

Yay?

It was a terrible deal

https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1786666447160177068

Based based based based based

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1786717441529188604?t=cCLNz_PoA016U-VZiwhp...

Yay?

It was a terrible deal

https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1786666447160177068

Yeah, this doesn’t sound like a serious proposal