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tjstarling
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« on: January 06, 2021, 04:22:05 PM »


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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2021, 12:42:52 PM »

How many trumpsters are left on atlas at this point? Genuinely curious as almost all the blue avatars I’ve seen have turned on him at this point as well.

My guess would be:

-Arizona Iced Tea
-Buzz? Not sure
-Fuzzy Bear
-Del Tachi
-PRESIDENT STANTON


Idk about Jessica, RFayette, and SN.

Buzz denounced Trump yesterday, so you can cross him off the list. Del Tachi, however, seems to be defending or justifying what happened, and Fuzzy Bear wasn't even online yesterday.

Fuzzy has not been online since I told him he didn't understand grade school level math.
When he returns, he will likely have massive paragraphs going something like - hardworking Americans...BLM and ANTIFA...coward Biden...life of the fetus.

Dude needs new software installed before he moves off his predictable word salad.
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tjstarling
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2021, 08:55:24 AM »

It's seems like Arizona Iced Tea is the only Trump supporter left on Atlas. Lol
Give it a week. Once the right-leaning media narrative shifts from outrage and condemnation to conspiracy and whataboutism they’ll be back on the Trump train.
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2021, 10:28:41 PM »

Reminder that many people on this very forum cited that poll earlier about how 45% or so of Republicans seemingly supported the attacks, and in the process acted prematurely before things settled.

Using this poll is also "premature." Recall how opinion shifted in the weeks after the Floyd killing - what matters far more than where public opinion stands is (a)how salient an issue is and (b)how easy it is to change the stance held by a critical mass.

If an initial putsch had somehow succeeded, or otherwise played out differently, I do wonder how many people would have ultimately accepted it as just. I still wouldn't rule out partisans increasingly backing the protesters as polarisation sets in, especially if Trump et al. choose to dig their heels in over it.

As with the rest of this presidency, it is crappy execution providing a useful learning experience for future, competent authoritarians.

And just like after the Floyd killing the media and other forces have once again taken a moment where there is (mostly) a consensus of outrage and a recognition that a system or a current way of doing things is broken and has, instead, turned it into a situation where they chose to paint with too broad a brush in an attempt to paint those who don’t fit into their cultural or ideological bubble as degenerate enablers.

Before we saw the case where the recognition that police reform and racial injustice was a problem that we as a nation either ignored or swept under a rug. That wasn’t good enough. In the weeks after it became silly season where wearing certain sneakers meant you failed to acknowledge your white privilege. And, once again, the media folks overplayed their hand and people went back to their tribal holes.

Now, instead of focusing on the events of Wednesday and the troubling words those who instigated the acts, we once again have a situation where certain actors and institutions want to shame everyone they can tangentially associate with those responsible. Instead of encouraging and welcoming the evolution of people who were perhaps once supportive of Trump or the GOP who now say “you know what, this is it for me, this isn’t what I want and things do need to be different”, I’ve seen a lot of shaming of these people with “why now? Where have you been for four years?”. While it may have a basis in truth, it’s unhelpful. And, once again, I’ve already started to see people slink back to their traditional partisan posture.

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2021, 12:08:17 PM »

ABC News/Ipsos poll, Jan. 8-9, 570 adults

The question is "How much do you trust each of the following to protect democracy in the United States?" 

Donald Trump:

A great deal 16%
A good amount 14
Not so much 13
Not at all 56
Net: 30% trust (sum of first two categories), 69% distrust (sum of last two)

Joe Biden:

A great deal 26
A good amount 27
Not so much 17
Not at all 28
Net: 53/45

Mike Pence:

A great deal 15
A good amount 24
Not so much 35
Not at all 23
Net: 39/58

Republicans in Congress:

A great deal 9
A good amount 23
Not so much 39
Not at all 29
Net: 31/68

Democrats in Congress:

A great deal 17
A good amount 23
Not so much 17
Not at all 40
Net: 40/58

Nancy Pelosi:

A great deal 17
A good amount 23
Not so much 17
Not at all 40
Net: 40/58

Ted Cruz:

A great deal 10
A good amount 17
Not so much 25
Not at all 47
Net: 27/71

Mitt Romney:

A great deal 11
A good amount 30
Not so much 34
Not at all 22
Net: 41/56

Supreme Court:

A great deal 15
A good amount 44
Not so much 30
Not at all 9
Net: 60/38

Mitch McConnell:

A great deal 5
A good amount 18
Not so much 38
Not at all 37
Net: 22/75

Those are, unsurprising, but bad numbers for everyone tbh
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