Uganda passes tough anti-gay laws.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Horrible laws for a country that's difficult to envy.

Savages.

The more white Americans address these things by calling Africans, or Russians for that matter, savages, the more they'll feel the need or inclination to do stuff like this.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Horrible laws for a country that's difficult to envy.

Savages.

The more white Americans address these things by calling Africans, or Russians for that matter, savages, the more they'll feel the need or inclination to do stuff like this.

Yes, but after all it isn't really helpful to not call a spade a spade, now is it?

It actually is helpful to avoid calling African people savages if at all possible, yes.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Horrible laws for a country that's difficult to envy.

Savages.

The more white Americans address these things by calling Africans, or Russians for that matter, savages, the more they'll feel the need or inclination to do stuff like this.

Nevermind the racial overtones, this is "savage" like behaviour. Whether it's done in the US or Uganda or Russia for that matter.

It really is, and surely there are ways we can express this fact without needlessly bringing the racial overtones into it.

Horrible laws for a country that's difficult to envy.

Savages.

The more white Americans address these things by calling Africans, or Russians for that matter, savages, the more they'll feel the need or inclination to do stuff like this.

Yes, but after all it isn't really helpful to not call a spade a spade, now is it?

It actually is helpful to avoid calling African people savages if at all possible, yes.

Not at all.  If they are behaving as savages (as is often the case), lets do them the courtesy of calling them what they are.

You're missing the point, though that's unsurprising from you. You're also missing an apostrophe.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

You're missing the point, though that's unsurprising from you.

My point is we should instill in them a desire to overcome their humble origins.  Castigating them with those origins when they misbehave is part of the learning process.

You do realize just what an imperialist cur you sound like, right?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Horrible laws for a country that's difficult to envy.

Savages.

The more white Americans address these things by calling Africans, or Russians for that matter, savages, the more they'll feel the need or inclination to do stuff like this.

Yes, but after all it isn't really helpful to not call a spade a spade, now is it?

It actually is helpful to avoid calling African people savages if at all possible, yes.

In this case, they're acting like savages, and deserve to be called out as such.

If I have to tiptoe around their feelings for them to accept me, then f**k them.

The problem is that this specific manner of saying 'f**k you' to homophobic Ugandans tends to function as an incentive for them to find new ways to say 'f**k you' to LGBT Ugandans.

A huge part of the discussion of homosexuality in parts of the world other than North America and Western Europe is the idea that social acceptance of it and recognition of gay relationships is 'un[insert denomyn for non-Western country or region here]' and a Westernizing tendency or a symptom of some kind of decadence. This is false, and in the case of Uganda ultraconservative American Evangelical missionaries--whose actions and attitudes are often trusted more than those of Western governments--share a huge amount of the blame for encouraging these notions, but since it's fundamentally a form of scapegoating as a perceived cultural defense mechanism and moreover precisely since it does ruin people's lives, it's a false notion that we need to try our best not to inadvertently strengthen by choosing to refer to these people in, well, the sorts of terms that Western imperialists interested in ruining their countries' cultures would use. That is, calling them 'savages' is about the worst and most counterproductive possible way of expressing an obviously understandable and to an extent accurate sentiment.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

So anti-gay laws in Uganda aren't as "awful" as having your feelings hurt on an internet message board? Ugh.

As a matter of general principle homophobia is about equally awful to racism, is the point that we're trying to make.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

As a matter of general principle homophobia is about equally awful to racism, is the point that we're trying to make.

This isn't about race, despite how much as you want it to be.

What makes you think I 'want' this to 'be about race'?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

What makes you think I 'want' this to 'be about race'?

Because you keep trying to make it that way. This isn't about race, it's a social thing. I would say the same of the Taliban or Serbian militants.

Perhaps you would, but you're not. If this isn't about race then isn't about you, Cory, and your preferred interpretations of words either.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Perhaps you would, but you're not. If this isn't about race then isn't about you, Cory, and your preferred interpretations of words either.

Because this thread is about Uganda.

Almost there! Just put you on 'thaw' for fifty-nine minutes and you might get the point. Merry Christmas.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Cory, stop talking about parts of the world that aren't North America or Western Europe. Just stop.

Shame. The de facto colonization of African and Central American countries by American evangelicals is disgusting.

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[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Shame. The de facto colonization of African and Central American countries by American evangelicals is disgusting.

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Cory, stop talking about parts of the world that aren't North America or Western Europe. Just stop.

You're quoting Snowstalker. And he's not wrong.

He seems to be quite aware of that.
He is agreeing with what Snowstalker said, made a line to split the message in two and said something to Cory.

I've never actually seen anyone use that line thing before. Meh; usually you just quote and continue

Yeah, I had some trouble figuring out how to format that. I think I should just reorder the post.