Some Nazis hunt random foreigners in Chemnitz, Germany

[Tender Branson]

Police are braced for further protests in the eastern German city of Chemnitz on Monday, after far-Right rioters tore through the streets attacking people they believed to be migrants on Sunday afternoon.

A crowd of around 800 people gathered in the city Sunday afternoon to protest after a German man was killed in a fight between “a number of people of different nationalities,” local police said.

Three men in their thirties were injured during the incident, which took place in the early hours of Sunday morning during a street festival, according to Chemnitz police.

Unconfirmed rumours being circulated online said the fight between around ten men may have kicked off after a woman was harassed in the street.

The spontaneous protest that erupted on Sunday afternoon following the incident quickly turned violent and witness reports and videos show people chasing and attacking foreign people.



In one incident, rioters ran through a local park shouting racist slogans and chasing a man of foreign background, a witness told Germany’s MRD public broadcaster.

When he fell, the men punched and kicked him as he lay on the ground, the witness said. Videos circulating on Twitter show protesters attacking people and chanting racist slogans.

Police also said some people were hostile towards them and threw bottles.

https://twitter.com/enough14/status/1033793754350665729

Police were forced to call in backup from the cities of Leipzig and Dresden to deal with the protest, which thinned out by Sunday evening.

On Monday tensions remain high and police were braced for further rival protests.  Steffen Seibert, Angela Merkel’s spokesman, said on Monday that the government condemns the attacks “in the strongest terms”.

"Ganging up like that, hunting down people who look different or have a different ethnicity, attempts to spread hatred on the streets - we won't accept that," he said.

The protests were organised spontaneously by far-right groups, including the anti-immigration Alternative for Germany party (AfD), which is currently the biggest opposition party in Germany’s parliament.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/27/german-police-brace-second-day-violence-far-right-protests-chemnitz

Well, I told you 3 years ago already that this would happen eventually ... but Merkel thought otherwise.

[Tender Branson]

Well, I told you 3 years ago already that this would happen eventually ... but Merkel thought otherwise.

I understand there may arguments against the open borders policy or at least the way it's being conducted, but "it may make our own fascists angry" is a deplorable one.

It is not a deplorable one, it's a logical one: Merkel overburdened the German population with her reckless immigration swamp policy and because of it agitated the Nazis even further.

This could have been prevented, much like all the additional killings, rapes and other crimes committed against German people over the past 3 years, which she is responsible for.

[Tender Branson]

Correction: Merkel overburdened neo-Nazis beyond their point of tolerance of foreigners. That is an extremely low threshold, and policy cannot be subjugated to the preferences of Nazis.

Not true. Surveys over the past years showed that 60-80% of all Germans are opposed to Merkel's various immigration policies, suggesting that most Germans were heavily impacted in some sort by the rapid developments. It just made the Nazis even more agitated as a result. While policy must not be subjugated to the preferences of Nazis, Merkel should have know all of this before. She's not dumb. But it was clearly her fault and is now her legacy that Nazis are hunting migrants (and maybe Germans who look like migrants) in the streets now and that the AfD is closing in on 20%. You simply do not import 2-3 million (illegal) immigrants from Africa and the Middle-East, without asking the local population before if they approve of this or not ...

[Tender Branson]

Can we export our Antifa to fight them? Fight some real Nazis for once.

No thank you.

The Antifa hippie plague needs to be hosed down by the police, just like the Nazi-scum.

[Tender Branson]

Correction: Merkel overburdened neo-Nazis beyond their point of tolerance of foreigners. That is an extremely low threshold, and policy cannot be subjugated to the preferences of Nazis.

Yes. Nazis are not to be accommodated. Nazis are not to be appeased. Period. Because if you do that, you're clearly a moron who learned nothing from history.

The thing is: While Merkel never intended it, she became a Nazi-appeaser with her policies over the last years. And not only that: she also became a Muslim terrorist/crime appeaser. But Nazis and fundie Muslims are not that far apart, so that makes sense.

All that is now happening are just the sympthoms of her failed policy: antifa trying to kill Nazis, Nazis trying to kill the Muslims, fundie Muslims trying to kill liberal Muslims like Seyran Ates etc. etc. - but this is not the solution. You cannot tackle the problem by eliminating the sympthoms. You need to cure the sickness itself. And for Germany and Europe, it means limiting immigration from Africa and the Middle East to almost zero and let in skilled immigrants in small doses only. This would never overburden the local population in an otherwise stable/equal/wealthy democracy. Every sociologist or psychologist will tell you that if you suddenly import (often criminal) culture-hostile elements into a previously stable society, it will make that society agitated.

[Tender Branson]

2nd day:

Heavy clashes between right-wingers/Nazis and left-wingers/Antifa reported from Chemnitz right now ...

Also: the nationalities of the killers of the 35-year old German man have been released: a 21-year old Iraqi and a 22-year old Syrian.

[Tender Branson]

Well, I told you 3 years ago already that this would happen eventually ... but Merkel thought otherwise.

I understand there may arguments against the open borders policy or at least the way it's being conducted, but "it may make our own fascists angry" is a deplorable one.

You're fundamentally misunderstanding Tender's use of the dog whistle here, he has no problem with 800 natives committing crimes, the real issue is the 1 migrant and how the people from his background should be punished collectively.

Stop posting false interpretations. I certainly have a problem with "800 natives" committing crimes, but my concern is more the high share of foreign criminals (and it's rising constantly in recent years). Foreigners make up 40-50% of criminals and the local prison population, but their share in the population is "only" 15%. Of course that's concerning me a bit more than the much lower crime rate by the local population. And importing more young males leads to more foreigner crime. Why would anyone want this ?

[Tender Branson]

Crystal Meth-Nazis crash live RTL reporting in Chemnitz:

https://twitter.com/boulevard_blum/status/1034202758495125507

[Tender Branson]

Btw, Chemnitz is the European city with the highest Crystal Meth concentration in its municipal sewage water system, out of 56 European cities surveyed:

240 milligrams per 1.000 persons and day.

For comparison, Innsbruck (an Austrian city), had a rate of 2.9 milligrams in 2017 in the same study. Berlin was at 15 mg.

https://www.freiepresse.de/chemnitz/chemnitz-hat-europaweit-das-meiste-crystal-im-abwasser-artikel10151227

http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/system/files/publications/2757/POD_Wastewater%20analysis.pdf

[Tender Branson]

On Saturday, a huge "commemoration march" for the German victim who got killed by the illegal Arab immigrants is planned in the city - organized by the AfD, Pegida and Pro Chemnitz.

Maybe there will be even more than the 5.000 right-wingers/Nazis on Monday and Tuesday.

There will also be a massive counter-protest by the Left and the Civil Society, called "Chemnitz Nazi-free", incl. many popular bands, actors and artists.

[Tender Branson]

Whatever. How many of these refugees' excess deaths are worth the comfort of Herr Mueller seeing fewer brown youths on the street?

Maybe twenty thousand would have been too many excess deaths? Anyone willing to choose a number?

Fact is that there has been a pile of so-called "unique cases" recently, in which Arab/African immigrants (mostly illegals, with their asylum claims already rejected or with previous crimes) have killed or raped German citizens. These cases are in the hundreds of thousands by now.

Of course the Germans are getting annoyed, now that they are being hunted and killed in the streets. And some are opting for the "eye-for-an-eye" option because of Merkel's failures.

Most people simply do not wanna act like the ultra-leftists any longer and tolerate all of these imported crimes.

Anyway: police are expecting up to 20.000 people in Chemnitz today for another round of protests, called for by the AfD (from 3 states), Pegida and Pro-Chemnitz - as well as leftist groups. This could get nasty.

[Tender Branson]

Whatever. How many of these refugees' excess deaths are worth the comfort of Herr Mueller seeing fewer brown youths on the street?

Maybe twenty thousand would have been too many excess deaths? Anyone willing to choose a number?

Fact is that there has been a pile of so-called "unique cases" recently, in which Arab/African immigrants (mostly illegals, with their asylum claims already rejected or with previous crimes) have killed or raped German citizens. These cases are in the hundreds of thousands by now.

Of course the Germans are getting annoyed, now that they are being hunted and killed in the streets. And some are opting for the "eye-for-an-eye" option because of Merkel's failures.

Most people simply do not wanna act like the ultra-leftists any longer and tolerate all of these imported crimes.

Anyway: police are expecting up to 20.000 people in Chemnitz today for another round of protests, called for by the AfD (from 3 states), Pegida and Pro-Chemnitz - as well as leftist groups. This could get nasty.

source on the hundreds of thousands claim?

Do you also understand why vigilantism is illegal in our societies?

A) https://www.bka.de/EN/CurrentInformation/PoliceCrimeStatistics/policecrimestatistics_node.html

B) No, please explain ... (I'm not really that shocked by the appearance of some sort of vigilantism in certain areas of Germany right now though, after Merkel's failures in recent years and her "White German Nazi guilt" compensation efforts = bringing in millions of Arabs/Africans to make up for the crimes of 80 years ago. After all, today's Germans have to suffer for what Germans did 80 years ago under Merkel-logic).

[Tender Branson]

I'm pretty sure most of lynching mobs participants in the post-civil war South were just ordinary, normal people who simply allowed themselves to be manipulated by a few demagogues, using the very same talking point we hear now. It's sad, but still can't justify this.

We can talk all days about differences between then and now, but if you fail to see the pattern, that dangerous pattern, you'll one day wake up and see where it lead you. Because if you think this will end on refugees, you're as naive as the likes of Franz von Papen. You give in to such forces, they won't "calm down", "civilize", "go back to normal" etc. They will only grown stronger and more dangerous.

This is wrong.

As you can see in Austria for example, if you really deal with the situation (instead of ignoring the problems) the Far-Right can be contained and the centrist parties such as the ÖVP and SPÖ are rising in support again. The FPÖ is now dropping again in the polls, after years of rising and peaking during the 2015/16 migrant invasion. You need to deal with the Merkel-made problems and limit them close to zero and people will shift back to the center. On the other hand, in Germany, the AfD has still a huge potential to gain more support. That is the really dangerous thing if Merkel and Co. keep on ignoring the problems.

[Tender Branson]

Remind me never to set foot in Germany... 

... says the guy from Virgina.

[Tender Branson]

So anyone who questions Merkel's immigration policy is a Nazi?

I would argue that going round beating up foreigners might be going a little, teensy bit further than "questioning Merkel's immigration policy", but hey, that's just me.

Indeed.

Of the 5.000-6.000 protesters last Monday (it was later revised up by police from the 1.000 in my thread title), about 1.000 were real Nazis or hooligan skinheads.

The other protesters are middle-class, so-called "concerned citizens" or "enraged citizens" (Wutbürger), who are certainly no Nazis but who are deeply opposed to Merkel's and the Left's ideology of transforming or replacing German society through uncontrolled mass immigration and opposed to ignoring all the problems that are resulting out of it.

[Tender Branson]

The protests yesterday were not as large and violent as thought by the police.

About 5.000 supporters each showed up for the Right and Left.









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[Tender Branson]

Tender Branson still hasn't provided a single source detailing directly that refugees have committed hundreds of thousands of crimes, or that hundreds of thousands of refugees have committed crimes. What is keeping you Tender, I thought you were keeping a detailed account of crime on our continent.

I have posted the link to the German crime statistics.

There you can see the following:

Foreign crime suspects

2017: 736.265 (35% of all criminals)
2016: 953.744 (40% of all criminals)
2015: 911.864 (39% of all criminals)
2014: 617.392 (29% of all criminals)
2013: 538.449 (26% of all criminals)
2012: 502.390 (24% of all criminals)

2017/2016 data:

https://www.bka.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Publikationen/PolizeilicheKriminalstatistik/2017/pks2017Jahrbuch3TV.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=2

2015/2014 data:

https://www.bka.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Publikationen/PolizeilicheKriminalstatistik/2015/pks2015Jahrbuch.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=8

2013/2012 data:

https://www.bka.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Publikationen/PolizeilicheKriminalstatistik/2013/pks2013Jahrbuch.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=1

As you can see, while the number of foreign criminals has risen steadily over the past years, there has been a significant additional jump after the 2015 migrant invasion - leading to about 300.000 additional cases committed by foreigners in 2015 and 2016 each.

The number dropped back a bit in 2017, because many probably have left Germany again, were deported or simply because the number of newly arrived dropped.

But still, my point remains: the migrant swamp in 2015 led to many additional crimes in the hundreds of thousands.

[Tender Branson]

Thread title adjusted because of Beezer's post.

[Tender Branson]

https://twitter.com/GeorgiGotev/status/1037210083497848835?s=19

^^ just a perfect example of how the far right are setting the agenda, this would've've been said by Front National or UKIP here in the UK...

French foreign Minister (Jean-Yves Le Drian) was a member of  socialist party until last year...
If the left thinks you can neutralise the far right by using their language they're wrong, they are normalising them ...

There should indeed be a phase-out for money transfers from wealthy EU countries to Eastern Europe, but their tough position on immigration is not the reason IMO.

The gradual phase-out is about time, because Poland etc. are growing rather fast right now and have already "got on their own feet" after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact some 30 years ago. No need to subsidize them further right now. They can do so alone.

It would be better is all the money that is saved would be put into a really tough and effective border patrol on the EU's South and South-East. Some sort of European ICE. There need to be 100.000 or so border agents stationed there and proper equipment to keep the illegals out and to transport them immediately back to Africa when caught.

[Tender Branson]

Helene Fischer:

"Nazi-less through the night."

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/kultur/helene-fischer-chemnitz-1.4117608