Opinion of Fuzzy Bear

[Karpatsky]

These numbers are kind of interesting. I think this is probably a reasonable ceiling for someone whose beliefs piss off a lot of Atlas users but who is otherwise respectful and articulate.

If Fuzzy were more like an average Republican user in posting style, his FF numbers would probably crater.

Respectful?? It is the ultimate of disrespect (and well outside the mainstream, so nobody start) to believe our Jewish, Catholic, Mormon, and nonreligious posters will spend eternity burning in Hell.

Do you know anything about Christianity at all?

Yes, I went to Catholic Sunday school for 12 years and have done lots of additional self-study. The idea that only Christians can go to Heaven is only believed by some conservative Evangelical denominations, despite their constant claim that it's the "default" Christian position.

I went to a Lutheran and then a Reformed school from 1999 through 2015. I would recommend you read a Bible. Jesus lays it out quite clearly.

And yet the Catholic Church, Anglican Communion, Orthodox Churches, and Mormons explicitly disagree with you. That encompasses over 70% of Christians right there, and we haven't counted all the mainline Protestants who also disagree, nor the BRTD-type Evangelicals. (I don't have exact numbers on every Protestant denomination or their explicit beliefs, but I think it's safe to say that gets us into the mid-80s.)

You can say it's "clear" until the cows come home, but the numbers say otherwise.

You are either lying or have never listened to them before. If you didn't have to be christian to go to heaven, there would be no christians in 2019


And if any christian has ever said this before, they are wrong. It makes zero sense.

Old survey, but the only group most Americans hold disqualifying for Heaven is atheists, and even then it isn't a majority:





Even if it's not doctrinally correct, I can understand why. Believing good people who happen to be raised differently are doomed to the same fate as rapists and murderers is difficult to reconcile with most people's belief in a morally positive god.

[Karpatsky]

These numbers are kind of interesting. I think this is probably a reasonable ceiling for someone whose beliefs piss off a lot of Atlas users but who is otherwise respectful and articulate.

If Fuzzy were more like an average Republican user in posting style, his FF numbers would probably crater.

Respectful?? It is the ultimate of disrespect (and well outside the mainstream, so nobody start) to believe our Jewish, Catholic, Mormon, and nonreligious posters will spend eternity burning in Hell.

Religious toleration is treating people you believe will burn in Hell with respect.

That's literally impossible, because it is inherently disrespectful to believe that people from other faiths are condemned to Hell.

Eh.

I would say at least it is inherently disrespectful, if not morally questionable, to believe that people from other faiths are condemned to Hell and then not do your best to proselytize to them. As annoying as some people find it, I have a lot more respect for those who have enough empathy to try to save me from their version of hell than those 'tolerant' enough to 'live and let die'.

[Karpatsky]

These numbers are kind of interesting. I think this is probably a reasonable ceiling for someone whose beliefs piss off a lot of Atlas users but who is otherwise respectful and articulate.

If Fuzzy were more like an average Republican user in posting style, his FF numbers would probably crater.

Respectful?? It is the ultimate of disrespect (and well outside the mainstream, so nobody start) to believe our Jewish, Catholic, Mormon, and nonreligious posters will spend eternity burning in Hell.

Religious toleration is treating people you believe will burn in Hell with respect.

That's literally impossible, because it is inherently disrespectful to believe that people from other faiths are condemned to Hell.

Eh.

I would say at least it is inherently disrespectful, if not morally questionable, to believe that people from other faiths are condemned to Hell and then not do your best to proselytize to them. As annoying as some people find it, I have a lot more respect for those who have enough empathy to try to save me from their version of hell than those 'tolerant' enough to 'live and let die'.

You see, you say that now...

I strongly prefer to spend time with people who on occasion will tell me things I've already heard than with those who are indifferent to the possibility of my eternal suffering. The single theist I respect more than any other in the world is a Sunni guy I went to college with who I didn't spend too much time with, but nevertheless tried to save me from damnation nearly every time we did hang out. Sure, it got a bit old, but it was always respectful and interesting conversation, and it is miles better to spend time with someone who genuinely cares about you on some level than those who are perfectly content to let you fry for the sake of maintaining social propriety.