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Kingpoleon
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« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2016, 04:44:21 PM »

1981-1985: Former President Gerald Ford/Senate Minority Leader Howard Baker(R)
1985-1993: Representative Morris Udall/Senator Birch Bayh(D)
1993-2001: Former VP Howard Baker/Mayor Rudy Giuliani(R)
2001-2005: Senator Birch Bayh*/Governor Elizabeth Dole(D)
2005-2013: Senator Paul Tsongas/Governor Howard Dean(R)
2013-PRESENT: VP Howard Dean/Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice(R)
*Severely wounded in 9/11 attacks, he retires in 2004 after he has been diagnosed with a tumor near one of his former wounds
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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2016, 09:27:27 PM »

1909-1917: Govermor Charles Evan Hughes/VP Charles W. Fairbanks
1917-1922: VP Charles W. Fairbanks*/Attorney General Charles Bonaparte
1922-1925: VP Charles Bonaparte**/vacant
1925-1933: Governor Charles W. Bryan/Senator Alfred Smith
1933-1941: Governor-General Theodore Roosevelt, Jr./Senate Majority Leader Charles Curtis
1941: Former VP Alfred Smith***/California Governor James Roosevelt II
1941-1949: VP James Roosevelt II/Speaker Samuel Rayburn
1949-1961: Mayor Thomas Dewey/Senator Harold Stassen
1961-1964: Senator Robert Kerr***/Senator Stuart Symington
1964-1969: VP Stuart Symington/Governor Sam Yorty
1969-1977: Senator Morris Udall/Governor Birch Bayh(R)
1977-1981: VP Birch Bayh/Speaker Gerald Ford(R)
1981-1982: Governor Henry Jackson*/Senator John Connally(D)
1982-1985: VP John Connally/Senator Robert Dole(D)
1985-1989: Former President Birch Bayh/Mayor David Dinkins(R)
1989-1993: VP David Dinkins/Attorney General Jay Rockefeller(R)
1993-2002: Senator Elizabeth Dole*/Admiral James Stockdale(D)
2002-2005: VP James Stockdale/Mayor Rudy Giuliani(D)
2005-PRESENT: Governor Christine Whitman/Senator Mark Begich(R)
*Resigned after severe health issues
**Retired after one term due to age
***Assassinated
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« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2016, 04:53:17 PM »

Prime Minister/Deputy Prime Ministers:
1850-1857: Sam Houston*(Constitution)/John Crittenden(Unionist)
1857-1862: John Crittenden(Unionist)/John Bell(Unionist)
1862-1864: John Bell(Unionist)/Joseph Lane(Constitution)
1864-1875: Abraham Lincoln(Liberty)/Ulysses S. Grant(Whig)
1875-1880: Ulysses S. Grant(Whig)/Cassius Clay(Liberty)
1880-1890: Thomas F. Bayard(National)/George Pendleton(Constitution)
1890-1895: Joseph Blackburn(National)/Andrew Jackson Houston(Constitution)
1895-1905: Robert Todd Lincoln/Charles Joseph Bonaparte(Liberal Alliance)
1905-1913: Charles Joseph Bonaparte(Liberal)/Gifford Pinchot(Progressive)
*Resigned
**Died in office
***Legislation for anti-lynching and voting rights for women and minorities caused the secession of the Southern Union of States; the states in red seceded and the states in green threatened to hold a referendum or unilaterally secede if war was made on the states in red


Utah stands out because the Mormons were extremely unionist in sentiment despite usually voting for the National or Constitution Party.
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« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2016, 04:52:01 PM »

A Roosevelt Son in California
1933-1941: Franklin Roosevelt/John Nance Garner(Democratic)
1941-1942: Businessman Wendell Willkie/Governor Thomas Dewey
1942-1949: VP Thomas Dewey(R-NY)/Secretary of the Navy Theodore Roosevelt, Jr.(R-CA)
1949-1957: Governor Coke Stevenson(D-TX)/Senator Adlai Stevenson II(D-IL)
1957-1962: VP Adlai Stevenson II(D-IL)/Secretary of War Stuart Symington(D-MO)
1962-1965: VP Stuart Symington(D-MO)/Senator Barry Goldwater(D-AZ)
1965-1977: Governor George Christopher(R-CA)/Senator John Lindsay(R-NY)
1977-1982: Senator Howell Heflin(D-AL)/Governor Barry Goldwater, Jr.(D-AZ)
1982-1985: VP Barry Goldwater, Jr.(D-AZ)/HEW Secretary Mary Elizabeth Hanford-Kemp(D-NC)
1985-1993: Senator Mark Hatfield(R-OR)/Senator Birch Bayh(R-IN)
1993-2001: VP Birch Bayh(R-IN)/Justice Secretary Jerry Brown(R-CA)
2001-2003: Fmr. Speaker Jack Hanford-Kemp*(D-NY)/Governor Rick Santorum(D-PA)
2003-2009: VP Rick Santorum(D-PA)/Treasury Secretary Mary Landrieu(D-LA)
2009-2017: Senator Christine Todd Whitman(R-NJ)/Governor Newt Gingrich**(R-GA)

*Forced to resign after suffering a heart attack
**The liberal Republican version of Gingrich who first ran for public office
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« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2017, 10:03:08 PM »
« Edited: January 25, 2017, 12:50:11 AM by Kingpoleon, Never The Best/Worst Poster »

1901-1903: Henry G. Davis*/William Jennings Bryan
1903-1905: William Jennings Bryan/vacant
1905-1913: William Jennings Bryan/Adlai Stevenson I
1913-1921: Charles Joseph Bonaparte/Robert Todd Lincoln
1921-1922: William Gibbs McAdoo/Former Associate Justice Joseph Patrick Tumulty**

*Died of a heart attack in November of 1903
**Despite Lincoln beating McAdoo/Tumulty in the PV by four percent, the McAdoo/Tumulty ticket wins the EC; this causes instability particularly among German-Americans

The German victory of WWI, after the horrific defeat of the French in the Battle of the Somme, would turn out to have some good consequences and some bad ones. Italy, the allies of the Germans, were awarded Corsica as a satellite state. Austro-Hungary would suffer severe rebellions, leading to the creation of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, led by King Alexander I, who would marry Princess Maria. Their son, Peter II, would go on to marry Princess Viktoria, the fourth child of Crown Prince Wilhelm.

The temporary Hohenzollern allies in Mexico made advancements against America. The Italian Kingdom joined the war and blockaded the East Coast and the Gulf of Mexico. When President Harding refused to surrender after New York City was occupied, as were Texas, California, New Mexico, Arizona, Florida, and parts of Lousiana, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, and Georgia, Vice President Lowden, Secretary of State Charles Evan Hughes, Treasury Secretary Nicholas Murray Butler, Defense Secretary Leonard Wood, and Chief of Staff John Pershing agreed to overthrow him in a coup and surrender.

Despite the police siding with Butler, Longworth, and Hughes, the military successfully took power in a national referendum(55% Military, 36% Republic, 9% Other). They implemented a Chamber of Deputies, numbering thirty-six+two per state, and a President with weakened powers. Each member of the Junta nominated twelve Deputies, with each state electing two. The Chamber of Deputies elected three Presidential candidates, all approved by the Junta, and then the three candidates would compete nationally in an IRV election. The President and Chamber could be dismissed by unanimous vote of the Junta at any time, triggering a new election. Otherwise, the Presidents served ten year terms, renewable zero times, and the Junta served five year terms.

The Junta:
First:
1922-1936(resigned): John J. Pershing
1936-1943(retired): Charles Pelot Summerall
1943-1989(retired): Theodore Roosevelt III
1989-2003(resigned): Colin Powell

Second:
1922-1936(died): William Sims
1936-1955(retired): Douglas MacArthur
1955-1973(retired): Nathan F. Twining
1973-2003: John Eisenhower

Third:
1922-1927(died): Leonard Wood
1927-1943(retired): John L. Hines
1943-1969(resigned, lasted 3.5 years past retiring date because Roosevelt asked him to stay on): Dwight Eisenhower
1969-1976(retired): Maxwell D. Taylor
1976-2003(stayed on four years at Eisenhower's request): James Stockdale
Military Presidents:
1923-1930: Charles Evan Hughes
1930-1940: Herbert Hoover
1940-1950: Thomas Dewey
1950-1960: Adlai Stevenson II
1960-1964: Richard Nixon*
1964-1974: Nelson Rockefeller
1974-1980: Spiro Agnew**
1980-1990: Larry Pressler***
1990-2000: Ann Richards
2000-2001: Rudy Giuliani
2001-2003: DECLARED VACANT
*Dismissed for abuse of power
**Dismissed for corruption
***An exceptionally incorruptible and honest President

Most normally retire at the age of 75 unless another is about to die. Then they wait until the other dies to resign. John L. Hines lived until 1972, becoming a powerful American figure in the public conscience after he outlasted many of his fellow Chief Generals.

The German Empire often called their allies to war. It was a success every time. However, the Second American Revolution was partially funded by Germany. Giuliani's Chief of Staff and best friend was John Avlon, a Democratic-Republican sympathizer and leader. The Junta had Giuliani arrested and attempted to arrest Avlon. Avlon, in New York City, escaped the arrest attempt. The guard sent to arrest him numbered thirty-six, twelve from each of the Junta member's allied groups. However, Lee P. Brown, Raymond Kelly, and Elizabeth Watson overthrew the Junta's allies and led the NYPD to rally for Avlon.

The 1,000 officers managed to destroy the Avlon Arrest Group and sent messages throughout the country on Avlon's orders. On May 3, 2001, the 123rd day of the year, the Democratic, the Republican, and the Federalist armies struck. Protests overwhelmed the Junta at Indepence Hall. Alex Fagan, the new Chief of Policd of Philadelphia, joined the protesters and arrested the Junta. Even as the Junta's armies prepared to strike, mass defections struck. James Stavridis, Eric Shinseki, David L. Goldfein, Vivien Krea, Johnniee L. Wilson, Wesley Clark, and Larry R. Ellis led military defections. Most corps split and redrew themselves, as one in four servicemen defected while one in three stayed neutral. Eleven of twenty Reserves defected, while another seven in twenty stayed neutral. Politicians defected and seized power all over the place. Those that remained were not utilized until it was too late. David Petraeus, Jesse Jackson, Jr., and Michael Madigan went to Jefferson City, Missouri. They fortified the city. Civilian raids, lead by James Stavridis, Gabriel E. Gomez,  and Wesley Clark damaged the loyal armed forces called there greatly. The loyal armed forces sent there 600,000. Defections reduced that number to 350,000. However, raids and ambushes by the militia, which itself numbered a mere 40,000 at first, are estimated to have killed one thousand and take prisoner another 14,000. This inspired a group within the city to kidnap ninety-six soldiers and forced the group to kill the eight officers, causing a total of 104 casualties. The ninety-six soldiers were smuggled out of the city and sent as prisoners to Fort Smith, AR, where a prison had been prepared. The fear this inspired in soldiers in Jefferson City caused desertations estimated to number 95,000, while another 40,000 defected. The militia now numbered 125,000 against an armed force numbering between 190,000 to 210,000.

Soon, massive reinforcements arrived. David L. Goldfein took charge of the force that now numbered nearly a million(~976,500), of which about 326,500 were civilians. Another 175,000 were policemen or veterans under forth-five. 475,000 were armed forces or reformed gangsters/terrorists. The latter group is believed to have numbered about 25,000.

When the Democratic-Republican-Federalist Army struck, the opposing army's amazing skills was no match for them. Reformed gangs looted outposts in the northeast as terrorists blew up five major armories and another fifteen barracks on the west side. From the south, the policemen struck and seized control of many barracks and armories alongside about a quarter of the militiamen/civilians. The remained forces struck from the north. David L. Goldfein, Wesley Clark, Gabriel Gomez, James Stavridis, and Vivien Krea followed a policemen/militiamen force numbering eight hundred with each of the leaders receiving forty guards and a gang. They arrested Petraeus, Jackson, and Madigan.

A Parliament was declared as the Hohenzollern sent a diplomatic corps to Independence Hall.


Presidents:
2003-2005, 2005-2010: Ambassador to Germany Condoleeza Rice/Admiral James Stavridis(Unity)*
2010-2015, 2015-: Oregon Premier Ron Wyden/Ambassador to League of Nations Jendayi Frazier(Liberal-Freedom-Center)


Prime Ministers:
2005-2009: John Kasich(Unity)
2009-2010: Harold Ford, Jr.(Center-Liberal Coalition)
2010-: Howard Dean(Liberal-Freedom-Progress coalition)

*The Unity Party dissolved in 2009.
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« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2017, 03:25:18 AM »

President of the United States:

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt: March 4, 1933 - April 12, 1945 (1)
33. Paul V. McNutt: April 12, 1945 - January 20, 1953
34. Douglas MacArthur: January 20, 1953 - January 20, 1961
35. John F. Kennedy: January 20, 1961 - November 22, 1963 (2)
36. Stuart Symington: November 22, 1963 - January 20, 1969
37. George Smathers: January 20, 1969 - January 20, 1973
38. Ronald Reagan: January 20, 1973 - January 20, 1981
39. Walter Mondale: January 20, 1981 - April 4, 1981 (3)
40. Robert F. Kennedy: April 4, 1981 - January 20, 1989
41. Robert Dole: January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1993
42. Jimmy Carter: January 20, 1993 - January 20, 2001
43. Al Gore: January 20, 2001 - January 20, 2005
44. John McCain: January 20, 2005 - January 8, 2008 (4)
45. Kay Bailey Hutchison: January 8, 2008 - January 20, 2013
46. Barack Obama: January 20, 2013 - January 20, 2021 (5)

1. Died of a cerebral hemorrhage
2. Assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald
3. Assassnated by John Hinckley
4. Died of a heart attack
5. Elected to a second term

60 Democratic years to 28 Republican years? Doesn't seem hackish at all...
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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2017, 06:23:26 PM »

President of the United States:

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt: March 4, 1933 - April 12, 1945 (1)
33. Paul V. McNutt: April 12, 1945 - January 20, 1953
34. Douglas MacArthur: January 20, 1953 - January 20, 1961
35. John F. Kennedy: January 20, 1961 - November 22, 1963 (2)
36. Stuart Symington: November 22, 1963 - January 20, 1969
37. George Smathers: January 20, 1969 - January 20, 1973
38. Ronald Reagan: January 20, 1973 - January 20, 1981
39. Walter Mondale: January 20, 1981 - April 4, 1981 (3)
40. Robert F. Kennedy: April 4, 1981 - January 20, 1989
41. Robert Dole: January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1993
42. Jimmy Carter: January 20, 1993 - January 20, 2001
43. Al Gore: January 20, 2001 - January 20, 2005
44. John McCain: January 20, 2005 - January 8, 2008 (4)
45. Kay Bailey Hutchison: January 8, 2008 - January 20, 2013
46. Barack Obama: January 20, 2013 - January 20, 2021 (5)

1. Died of a cerebral hemorrhage
2. Assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald
3. Assassnated by John Hinckley
4. Died of a heart attack
5. Elected to a second term

60 Democratic years to 28 Republican years? Doesn't seem hackish at all...
Well let's see here. 1932 through 1964 all had the same party winning elections. 1968 was an agonizing narrow victory for the GOP, any number of things could've swung it to the Democrats. Republicans very narrowly lost in 1976, and honestly if the campaign had gone on another week IRL Ford probably would've won. Seeing as a Republican would've been in office during the Iran hostage crisis and the OPEC embargo, it's probable we'd see a swing towards the Dems in 1980, and incumbent strength carry him through to 1984. 1988-1996 are the same. Al Gore received the most votes in 2000 IRL.

I don't think it's as unrealistic as you posit.

Any loss in 1968 would cause enough butterflies to make it unlikely.

1969-1973: Hubert Humphrey/Edmund Muskie
1973-1981: Ronald Reagan/Gerald Ford
1981: Henry Jackson/Morris Udall
1981-1989: Morris Udall/Birch Bayh
1989-1997: Birch Bayh/David Denkins
1997-2005: Howard Baker/Jeanne Kirkpatrick
2005-2009: Elizabeth Dole/Timothy Scott
2009-2017: Howard Dean/Evan Bayh


That's about the likely largest extent of Democratic rule.
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« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2017, 03:58:48 PM »

27. William Howard Taft (Republican-OH) (1909-13)
28. Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive-NY) (1913-21)
29. Charles Evans Hughes (Republican-NY) (1921-29)
30. Calvin Coolidge (Republican-MA) (1929-33)*
31. Frank O. Lowden (Republican-IL) (1933)
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (Progressive-NY) (1933-45)*
33. Henry A. Wallace (Progressive-WI) (1945-49)
34. Thomas E. Dewey (Democratic-NY) (1949-57)
35. Earl Warren (Democratic-CA) (1957-61)
36. Pat Brown (Progressive-CA) (1961-63)**
37. Hubert Humphrey (Progressive-MN) (1963-69)
38. Nelson Rockefeller (Democratic-NY) (1969-77)
39. Henry M. Jackson (Progressive-WA) (1977-81)
40. Ronald Reagan (Democratic-CA) (1981)**
41. John Connally (Democratic-TX) (1981-89)
42. Gary Hart (Progressive-CO) (1989-91)***
43. Bill Bradley (Progressive-NJ) (1991-93)
44. Pete Wilson (Democratic-CA) (1993-01)
45. Russ Feingold (Progressive-WI) (2001-2009)
46. Rudy Giuliani (Democratic-NY) (2009-2017)
47. Marco Rubio (Democratic-FL) (2017-present)

* died in office
** assassinated
*** resigned

Going >50 years without the Presidency would usually destroy a political party.
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