Canada General Discussion (2019-)

[T'Chenka]

That is blatantly false LMAO.



was it trump who fired his attorney general to hide the corruption of SNC Lavalin?
was it trump who fired lost his finance minister to scandal, his defense minister who had to be demoted
was it trump who invoked the US insurrection act against actual rioters?
was it trump who didnt produce a federal budget for 2 years?
was it trump who brought a terrorist/murderer to his india trip?

Nope all were the cdn turd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNnVD_tLDzg

These are all valid except maybe the Insurrection Act thing... I don't know anything about that. I'm just saying, Trump was a lot worse. A lot of Trump's fascist attempts were unsuccessful but his intent was clear.

[T'Chenka]

Impeach Trudeau !!

There is no impeachment in Canada, which means that you are supporting an unconstitutional coup against the elected Canadian government.

Western Canada should secede and The US should help them become their own nation

They never would, as British Columbia wouldn't follow them and the new country would be landlocked.

Yeah, Wexit has always been a nutty right-wing fantasy. Leaving an international trading bloc and actual secession from a country are two very different things. When it comes to the US relationship with Canada, it has long been policy to support a strong united Canada. I can’t think of any benefits the US would gain from Western or Quebec independence.

Relatedly, I’ve long been in favor of some kind of EU-like US-Canada open borders agreement/union. Obviously the business community and establishment would be in favor of such an arrangement. The only reason I could see it facing significant opposition from either side would be due to Canadian anti-Americanism related
fears about large numbers of Americans moving north and impacting/watering down Canadian culture.

Wexit is overated what we really need is a wexit combined with union with the united states to maintain ocean access and then annex british columbia too. Heck im not even asking for a pathway to citizenship like the illegals pouring in the southern border I'll take US territorial status like guam or puerto rico, so we can get "US Nationals" status which is basically green card status

If Alberta becomes a sovereign nation and attempts to annex British Columbia, Canada will go to war with Alberta and kick it's ass.

[harpercanuck]

yeah thats true though youre right about that. The US system is far better designed to constrain the executive or any one branch. All of our regional divides could be solved if we had a real senate of 2 per province

[OSR stands with Israel]

That is blatantly false LMAO.



was it trump who fired his attorney general to hide the corruption of SNC Lavalin?
was it trump who fired lost his finance minister to scandal, his defense minister who had to be demoted
was it trump who invoked the US insurrection act against actual rioters?
was it trump who didnt produce a federal budget for 2 years?
was it trump who brought a terrorist/murderer to his india trip?

Nope all were the cdn turd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNnVD_tLDzg

These are all valid except maybe the Insurrection Act thing... I don't know anything about that. I'm just saying, Trump was a lot worse. A lot of Trump's fascist attempts were unsuccessful but his intent was clear.

Individual liberty is the most important thing in a democracy and Trudeau has been far worse in that regard

[T'Chenka]

That is blatantly false LMAO.



was it trump who fired his attorney general to hide the corruption of SNC Lavalin?
was it trump who fired lost his finance minister to scandal, his defense minister who had to be demoted
was it trump who invoked the US insurrection act against actual rioters?
was it trump who didnt produce a federal budget for 2 years?
was it trump who brought a terrorist/murderer to his india trip?

Nope all were the cdn turd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNnVD_tLDzg

These are all valid except maybe the Insurrection Act thing... I don't know anything about that. I'm just saying, Trump was a lot worse. A lot of Trump's fascist attempts were unsuccessful but his intent was clear.

Individual liberty is the most important thing in a democracy and Trudeau has been far worse in that regard

Most Canadians are happy with their individual liberties. Some are frustrated that the pandemic has been going on for so long and we've had to deal with restrictions (that were issued by provinces not the federal government). That's probably ending soon though, and even so, despite being frustrated with them, a lot of Canadians understood why they were necessary.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Anyway Trump during the time there were literal riots in every major city in the country including the capital refused to invoke the insurrection act while Trudeau did it over a far less offense . Now Trudeau is threatening to freeze bank accounts of people who are donating to the truckers so yah that’s far more fascist .

And yes I’d vote for Trump  easily if the option was him and Trudeau .

[harpercanuck]

Yeah id vote for trump over trudeau and im not a trump fan post Jan 5th. That said this is a giant attack on finance what was announced. banks freezing accounts for ordinary citizens is nuts.

[T'Chenka]

Trump makes Trudeau look like Abraham Lincoln, and I'm not a fan of Justin Trudeau.

[Forum explorer]

Dangerous
https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1493345507229511686

[Ferguson97]

Watching conservatives lose their mind over this is so funny, it’s basically identical to their freak out last year over Australia

[CumbrianLefty]

Trudeau Derangement Syndrome really is a thing, just this thread shows that

[MaxQue]

That is blatantly false LMAO.



was it trump who fired his attorney general to hide the corruption of SNC Lavalin?
was it trump who fired lost his finance minister to scandal, his defense minister who had to be demoted
was it trump who invoked the US insurrection act against actual rioters?
was it trump who didnt produce a federal budget for 2 years?
was it trump who brought a terrorist/murderer to his india trip?

Nope all were the cdn turd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNnVD_tLDzg

1. Every single country in the world does protect its multinationals by making deals. By refusing to make a deal, Wilson-Raybauld (one of the worst Attorney General ever) put her ego over her job. The media only got upset because they can't accept that Quebec has a successful business instead of Bay Street.
2. Trump had to replace way more Cabinet members than Trudeau.
5. We have no need for Hindu nationalists (and their lies and anti-Sikh racism) in Canada.

[Lief 🗽]

Dangerous
https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1493345507229511686

Nice! Good to see Justin grow a pair.

[StateBoiler]

Watching conservatives lose their mind over this is so funny, it’s basically identical to their freak out last year over Australia

It's not wrong to point out politicians are hypocrites. It's a bipartisan problem.

Really looking forward to the Boys in Short Pants episode on them talking about the invocation of this act. They're a get in the weeds podcast.

Politico's Ottawa Playbook this morning has this note:

— Cue more details: While the feds published news releases about its decision to invoke the Act, the actual legally binding orders had yet to be released as of Monday evening.

Took the government what, 3 months, to publish new mandates to their ministers? Imagine they'll get around to invoking the Emergencies Act come April.

— Showdown lowdown: Invoking the Emergencies Act is a measure of last resort. It gives the federal government enormous powers to quell the disturbances, shut down crowdfunding and freeze the bank accounts of anyone assessed to be aiding the demonstrators.

It also means an inquiry is on the horizon, one that will be mandated to interrogate all the decisions that led Trudeau’s government to invoke the emergency measures.

Would that be a Parliamentary inquiry? In other words, Trudeau's party would have a minority of the membership? If so, I see an election in the near future to avoid it, because that's how Trudeau's Liberals think.

The interesting thing reading through it is something that has also kind of happened in the U.S. : the business community are now supporting the center-left as the "party of order" and the workers are now supporting the center-right. Big business in Canada is more overwhelmingly concentrated into Ontario/Quebec than it is any one region in the U.S., so there's likewise a regional factor at play.

Star Editorial Board: Invoking the Emergencies Act is a Shocking Admission of Failure

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2022/02/14/invoking-the-emergencies-act-is-a-shocking-admission-of-failure.html

"The situation could and should already have been resolved by good intelligence, smart planning, and effective coordination among police forces."

Don Martin, CTV: Trudeau's Besieged Leadership Cried Out for an Emergencies Act

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/don-martin-s-blog/don-martin-trudeau-s-besieged-leadership-cried-out-for-an-emergencies-act-1.5781311

“So many emergency powers, so few police willing to use them. That’s the rub as
 Canada moves into uncharted territory.”

Susan Delacourt, Star: Justin Trudeau says Ottawa Protest has lasted far too long. Well whose fault is that?

https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2022/02/14/justin-trudeau-says-ottawa-protest-has-lasted-far-too-long-well-whose-fault-is-that.html

“This is a new low for patriotism, if not Canadian democracy itself.”

[StateBoiler]

Every single country in the world does protect its multinationals by making deals. By refusing to make a deal, Wilson-Raybauld (one of the worst Attorney General ever) put her ego over her job. The media only got upset because they can't accept that Quebec has a successful business instead of Bay Street.

"We broke the law, but we did it for the right reasons! And that's why we fired the Attorney General."

Now what's your explanation for WE Charity and the Kielburgers?

[MaxQue]

Those headlines are so misleading. It only got that far because complicit police forces refused to do their jobs.

[StateBoiler]

Those headlines are so misleading. It only got that far because complicit police forces refused to do their jobs.

Take it up with Star Media, CTV, and Politico.

[MaxQue]

Every single country in the world does protect its multinationals by making deals. By refusing to make a deal, Wilson-Raybauld (one of the worst Attorney General ever) put her ego over her job. The media only got upset because they can't accept that Quebec has a successful business instead of Bay Street.

"We broke the law, but we did it for the right reasons!"

Now what's your explanation for WE Charity and the Kielburgers?

A former SNC-Lavalin official pretty much said it in news yesterday. If they didn't do what they did, contracts would go to American or European businesses doing the exact same things as SNC-Lavalin, with their governments turning a blind eye. Canada is a small country, it doesn't make the rules.

I'm not a Liberal voter and certainly won't defend the whole WE charade or the incompetent mess that was Bill Morneau.

[StateBoiler]

Every single country in the world does protect its multinationals by making deals. By refusing to make a deal, Wilson-Raybauld (one of the worst Attorney General ever) put her ego over her job. The media only got upset because they can't accept that Quebec has a successful business instead of Bay Street.

"We broke the law, but we did it for the right reasons!"

Now what's your explanation for WE Charity and the Kielburgers?

A former SNC-Lavalin official pretty much said it in news yesterday. If they didn't do what they did, contracts would go to American or European businesses doing the exact same things as SNC-Lavalin, with their governments turning a blind eye. Canada is a small country, it doesn't make the rules.

Then change the law.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Honestly, it's a stretch to even consider SNC Lavalin a "scandal" to begin with.

[StateBoiler]

Honestly, it's a stretch to even consider SNC Lavalin a "scandal" to begin with.

I always go under the principle of "if the other party did this, would this party complain?" This is how you can distinguish partisan hacks that only care about power from people that have principles. If SNC-Lavelin happened under the Harper government, would the Liberals have pounced on it as a scandal and telling of the corruption of the ruling government in how it kowtows to big business? The answer to that question is yes. Your only other option to anyone that says otherwise is for you to acknowledge your naked hypocrisy that you're a partisan that will lie and spin truth to benefit the party you support so they can take and remain in power. It's why I'm no longer a Republican, and I'll never be a Democrat, Democrats will lie and stick a knife in your back smiling at you the whole time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNC-Lavalin_affair

[MaxQue]

— Showdown lowdown: Invoking the Emergencies Act is a measure of last resort. It gives the federal government enormous powers to quell the disturbances, shut down crowdfunding and freeze the bank accounts of anyone assessed to be aiding the demonstrators.

It also means an inquiry is on the horizon, one that will be mandated to interrogate all the decisions that led Trudeau’s government to invoke the emergency measures.

Would that be a Parliamentary inquiry? In other words, Trudeau's party would have a minority of the membership? If so, I see an election in the near future to avoid it, because that's how Trudeau's Liberals think.

Reading the law, the emergency declaration needs to be approved by both Houses within 7 days of the publication of the degree and then re-approved every 30 days (even if the Houses are adjourned or in recess).

There must be a parlimentary committee made of MPs and Senators. This is not the inquiry, which seems to be a traditionnal judge-led one.

[OSR stands with Israel]

That is blatantly false LMAO.



was it trump who fired his attorney general to hide the corruption of SNC Lavalin?
was it trump who fired lost his finance minister to scandal, his defense minister who had to be demoted
was it trump who invoked the US insurrection act against actual rioters?
was it trump who didnt produce a federal budget for 2 years?
was it trump who brought a terrorist/murderer to his india trip?

Nope all were the cdn turd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNnVD_tLDzg

1. Every single country in the world does protect its multinationals by making deals. By refusing to make a deal, Wilson-Raybauld (one of the worst Attorney General ever) put her ego over her job. The media only got upset because they can't accept that Quebec has a successful business instead of Bay Street.
2. Trump had to replace way more Cabinet members than Trudeau.
5. We have no need for Hindu nationalists (and their lies and anti-Sikh racism) in Canada.

Canada has much less need for French Nationalists who have actually ruined Canada .

[MaxQue]

Honestly, it's a stretch to even consider SNC Lavalin a "scandal" to begin with.

I always go under the principle of "if the other party did this, would this party complain?" This is how you can distinguish partisan hacks that only care about power from people that have principles. If SNC-Lavelin happened under the Harper government, would the Liberals have pounced on it as a scandal and telling of the corruption of the ruling government in how it kowtows to big business? The answer to that question is yes. Your only other option to anyone that says otherwise is for you to acknowledge your naked hypocrisy that you're a partisan that will lie and spin truth to benefit the party you support so they can take and remain in power. It's why I'm no longer a Republican, and I'll never be a Democrat, Democrats will lie and stick a knife in your back smiling at you the whole time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNC-Lavalin_affair

The Bloc did actually not attack the Liberals over that (well, they did attack until Wilson-Raybould was fired) and attacked the Conservatives over "their attacks on Quebec economy" when they attacked Trudeau over it.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Tell me , what would be your reaction if Trump had fried Mueller