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Question: ... and Republicans retain control of the legislature, will they attempt to amend the state constitution in 2020 to remove the Governor's veto power over redistricting?
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« on: August 14, 2018, 09:38:28 PM »

I definitely think Wisconsin Republicans have it in them to be this petty, but I'm not sure if it would be worth it since not losing the state Senate this cycle could still leave it at-risk in 2020, so such an amendment might not even amount to much in the end.

Either way, I still have a feeling we might see Republicans try this in at least one state that they lose the Gov's office in but still retain the legislature, assuming any state central to GOP gerrymandering plans results in such a situation.
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2018, 09:40:44 PM »

almost certainly, sadly
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2018, 09:41:02 PM »

I definitely think Wisconsin Republicans have it in them to be this petty, but I'm not sure if it would be worth it since not losing the state Senate this cycle could still leave it at-risk in 2020, so such an amendment might not even amount to much in the end.

Either way, I still have a feeling we might see Republicans try this in at least one state that they lose the Gov's office in but still retain the legislature, assuming any state central to GOP gerrymandering plans results in such a situation.

I could see them trying, but it would fail so bad at the polls.
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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2018, 10:06:30 PM »

I definitely think Wisconsin Republicans have it in them to be this petty, but I'm not sure if it would be worth it since not losing the state Senate this cycle could still leave it at-risk in 2020, so such an amendment might not even amount to much in the end.

Either way, I still have a feeling we might see Republicans try this in at least one state that they lose the Gov's office in but still retain the legislature, assuming any state central to GOP gerrymandering plans results in such a situation.

I could see them trying, but it would fail so bad at the polls.
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2018, 10:07:26 PM »

I definitely think Wisconsin Republicans have it in them to be this petty, but I'm not sure if it would be worth it since not losing the state Senate this cycle could still leave it at-risk in 2020, so such an amendment might not even amount to much in the end.

Either way, I still have a feeling we might see Republicans try this in at least one state that they lose the Gov's office in but still retain the legislature, assuming any state central to GOP gerrymandering plans results in such a situation.

I could see them trying, but it would fail so bad at the polls.
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2018, 10:30:15 PM »

If Republicans in North Carolina get defeated over their attempted coup against Roy Cooper, Wisconsin Republicans might take a step back from such a move.
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2018, 11:48:29 PM »

It would need to be approved by voters as well. The odds of people giving this scheme the thumbs up is almost zero.
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2018, 09:33:05 AM »

When they do, somewhere in a Georgetown townhouse, Sam Alito will be smiling to himself.
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2018, 09:36:16 AM »

They will TRY, but they won't succeed.
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2018, 09:38:50 AM »

No, because the D controlled state supreme court would block it.
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2018, 12:58:38 PM »

I wish Maryland Democrats would do this just in case Hogan wins re-election.
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2018, 01:04:53 PM »

I wish Maryland Democrats would do this just in case Hogan wins re-election.

Hogan already can't veto legislative maps and it takes only 60% to overturn a veto for the congressional maps, which the Democrats are clearly over.
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2018, 01:12:31 PM »

I wish Maryland Democrats would do this just in case Hogan wins re-election.

Hogan already can't veto legislative maps and it takes only 60% to overturn a veto for the congressional maps, which the Democrats are clearly over.

Actually, Congressional map vetos cannot be overturned in any circumstance in Maryland.
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2018, 01:28:24 PM »

Didn't Republicans in North Carolina take away gubernatorial powers in a last minute action before Roy Cooper took office? So, I wouldn't be shoked if they do it all over again in Wisconsin.
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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2018, 01:30:35 PM »

They'll probably at least try.
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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2018, 01:36:07 PM »

Didn't Republicans in North Carolina take away gubernatorial powers in a last minute action before Roy Cooper took office? So, I wouldn't be shoked if they do it all over again in Wisconsin.

I wouldn't be surprised if this happens in more than a couple states to the point where it becomes national news. Having 3-4 or more states where Republicans get booted from power up and down ballot but use their lame duck session to strip power from the incoming Democrats would look incredibly corrupt and petty.

Not sure how many would try this though. North Carolina Republicans are exceptionally savage and corrupt, so they might not be the best example to go by.
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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2018, 02:09:49 PM »

Unlikely but possible. Rs don’t need to gerrymander in Wisconsin since Dane and Milwaukee are such natural D vote sinks, and I think that Rs are feeling the heat after a string of legislative losses in special elections. They’re not crazy like their counterparts in NC and they will probably learn from that example as well.

Of course partisanship can trump all so I would hardly call it an outlandish theory of what will happen.
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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2018, 03:41:11 PM »

It would need to be approved by voters as well. The odds of people giving this scheme the thumbs up is almost zero.

Beyond that, they need to pass it in two consecutive sessions, which means they have to retain both houses in 2020, and then pass it, for it to be considered by the electorate AFTER 2022, by which time new maps are drawn.
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« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2018, 05:20:42 PM »

Unlikely but possible. Rs don’t need to gerrymander in Wisconsin since Dane and Milwaukee are such natural D vote sinks, and I think that Rs are feeling the heat after a string of legislative losses in special elections. They’re not crazy like their counterparts in NC and they will probably learn from that example as well.

Of course partisanship can trump all so I would hardly call it an outlandish theory of what will happen.

Yeah, they're incredibly crazy, you just don't hear about it as much. State legislature said, after a high speed chase in the exurbs that left her constituents "cowering in fear" that if Milwaukee can't control crime the Republicans should reduce their funding for police. (They've already done this by millions with taking away state revenue sharing).
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« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2018, 09:37:38 PM »

They can try this but some states Supreme courts might rule excluding the Governor is unconstitutional and needs to be done through the amendment process and not a bill.
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« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2018, 10:47:07 AM »

In view of the utter collapse of support for Donald Trump and Scott Walker in Wisconsin since 2016 and 2014, respectively, one can only imagine how badly Republican state legislator are faring. Republicans may want a non-partisan may want a non-partisan method of re-apportioning state legislative districts.

So would I. Gerrymandering is good for consolidating power quickly only to lose respect  in a few years, as has happened in Congressional races, such may have happened (and we will see if it has happened in November).
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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2018, 12:36:10 PM »

If Scott Walker wins, I am moving out of Wisconsin.
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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2018, 08:47:16 PM »

If Scott Walker wins, I am moving out of Wisconsin.

Bye Waukesha!
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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2018, 09:46:57 PM »

They can try this but some states Supreme courts might rule excluding the Governor is unconstitutional and needs to be done through the amendment process and not a bill.
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