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« Reply #300 on: April 08, 2021, 07:15:47 PM »

Agree. It's normal in a plea deal, to include requirements to share information/data/evidence, that implicate the other parties.
Is it not?
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« Reply #301 on: April 08, 2021, 07:18:11 PM »
Quote from: ProudModerate2 on April 08, 2021, 07:15:47 PM

Agree. It's normal in a plea deal, to include requirements to share information/data/evidence, that implicate the other parties.
Is it not?

Yeah, they tend to involve full cooperation.
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« Reply #302 on: April 08, 2021, 07:34:03 PM »
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Quote from: GeorgiaModerate on April 08, 2021, 01:24:40 PM


“He never committed statutory rape against me, an adult!”

How do we know they're adults?
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« Reply #303 on: April 08, 2021, 08:12:06 PM »
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« Reply #304 on: April 08, 2021, 08:41:23 PM »
A live look at Rep. Matt Gaetz
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« Reply #305 on: April 08, 2021, 09:10:46 PM »
Quote from: brucejoel99 on April 08, 2021, 07:11:47 PM
Quote from: Crumpets on April 08, 2021, 06:47:41 PM
"This is all circumstantial! They have no evidence!"
"You're really going to believe NYT and WaPo? They're just making stuff up!"

https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1380305648282345474

Does this mean that the floodgaetz have opened? (I'm sorry, I'll let myself out.)

EDIT: GOD DAMN IT, NATHANIEL



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« Reply #306 on: April 08, 2021, 09:18:35 PM »
A House Republican has called on Gaetz to resign. No points for guessing who:

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« Reply #307 on: April 08, 2021, 09:20:14 PM »
Quote from: Roll Roons on April 08, 2021, 09:18:35 PM
A House Republican has called on Gaetz to resign. No points for guessing who:




I was thinking it could be Liz Cheney.
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« Reply #308 on: April 08, 2021, 09:22:22 PM »
Quote from: Roll Roons on April 08, 2021, 09:18:35 PM
A House Republican has called on Gaetz to resign. No points for guessing who:



I figured Kinzinger would be the first. Whether or not you like his politics, there's no denying that he has integrity.
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« Reply #309 on: April 08, 2021, 09:32:28 PM »
Quote from: GeorgiaModerate on April 08, 2021, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: Roll Roons on April 08, 2021, 09:18:35 PM
A House Republican has called on Gaetz to resign. No points for guessing who:



I figured Kinzinger would be the first. Whether or not you like his politics, there's no denying that he has integrity.

Lincoln, Logan, Dirksen, Michel, Percy, Thompson, Porter, Edgar, Kirk, Dold and Kinzinger, among others.

Illinois Republicans have done pretty well for themselves, if you ask me.
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« Reply #310 on: April 08, 2021, 09:36:25 PM »
Quote from: GeorgiaModerate on April 08, 2021, 09:22:22 PM
I figured Kinzinger would be the first. Whether or not you like his politics, there's no denying that he has integrity.
Being a RINO isn't integrity.
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« Reply #311 on: April 08, 2021, 09:41:39 PM »
Quote from: Roll Roons on April 08, 2021, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: GeorgiaModerate on April 08, 2021, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: Roll Roons on April 08, 2021, 09:18:35 PM
A House Republican has called on Gaetz to resign. No points for guessing who:



I figured Kinzinger would be the first. Whether or not you like his politics, there's no denying that he has integrity.

Lincoln, Logan, Dirksen, Michel, Percy, Thompson, Porter, Edgar, Kirk, Dold and Kinzinger, among others.

Illinois Republicans have done pretty well for themselves, if you ask me.

Aside from the ones that went to jail, sure.
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« Reply #312 on: April 08, 2021, 09:43:03 PM »
Quote from: Roll Roons on April 08, 2021, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: GeorgiaModerate on April 08, 2021, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: Roll Roons on April 08, 2021, 09:18:35 PM
A House Republican has called on Gaetz to resign. No points for guessing who:



I figured Kinzinger would be the first. Whether or not you like his politics, there's no denying that he has integrity.

Lincoln, Logan, Dirksen, Michel, Percy, Thompson, Porter, Edgar, Kirk, Dold and Kinzinger, among others.

Illinois Republicans have done pretty well for themselves, if you ask me.

Illinois has also contributed the loathsome Dennis Hastert, but yes, he's the exception to the rule.
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« Reply #313 on: April 08, 2021, 09:45:01 PM »
Quote from: DINGO Joe on April 08, 2021, 09:41:39 PM
Quote from: Roll Roons on April 08, 2021, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: GeorgiaModerate on April 08, 2021, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: Roll Roons on April 08, 2021, 09:18:35 PM
A House Republican has called on Gaetz to resign. No points for guessing who:



I figured Kinzinger would be the first. Whether or not you like his politics, there's no denying that he has integrity.

Lincoln, Logan, Dirksen, Michel, Percy, Thompson, Porter, Edgar, Kirk, Dold and Kinzinger, among others.

Illinois Republicans have done pretty well for themselves, if you ask me.

Aside from the ones that went to jail, sure.

There have been some (George Ryan, Hastert), but the state's infamous corruption is more a problem with Democrats.
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« Reply #314 on: April 08, 2021, 10:10:19 PM »
Quote from: Roll Roons on April 08, 2021, 09:45:01 PM
Quote from: DINGO Joe on April 08, 2021, 09:41:39 PM
Quote from: Roll Roons on April 08, 2021, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: GeorgiaModerate on April 08, 2021, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: Roll Roons on April 08, 2021, 09:18:35 PM
A House Republican has called on Gaetz to resign. No points for guessing who:



I figured Kinzinger would be the first. Whether or not you like his politics, there's no denying that he has integrity.

Lincoln, Logan, Dirksen, Michel, Percy, Thompson, Porter, Edgar, Kirk, Dold and Kinzinger, among others.

Illinois Republicans have done pretty well for themselves, if you ask me.

Aside from the ones that went to jail, sure.

There have been some (George Ryan, Hastert), but the state's infamous corruption is more a problem with Democrats.

Well, I'm Schocked that some others didn't get jail time.  You also may want to google Dan Crane.  God knows you've got some elected kooks downstate who are anti-democracy supporters too.
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« Reply #315 on: April 08, 2021, 10:44:15 PM »
Anyway, back to the topic at hand, while the "anonymous" women of Matt Gaetz's office write their support the named male members of his staff are fleeing. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/another-top-aide-to-matt-gaetz-bails-as-scandal-engulfs-the-maga-congressman
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« Reply #316 on: April 08, 2021, 10:59:15 PM »
Quote from: brucejoel99 on April 08, 2021, 07:11:47 PM
Quote from: Crumpets on April 08, 2021, 06:47:41 PM
"This is all circumstantial! They have no evidence!"
"You're really going to believe NYT and WaPo? They're just making stuff up!"

https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1380305648282345474

Does this mean that the floodgaetz have opened? (I'm sorry, I'll let myself out.)

EDIT: GOD DAMN IT, NATHANIEL



#watergaetz.
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« Reply #317 on: April 09, 2021, 10:10:20 AM »

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« Reply #318 on: April 09, 2021, 01:01:18 PM »
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« Reply #319 on: April 09, 2021, 02:47:42 PM »
The House Ethics Committee has opened an investigation into Gaetz.
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« Reply #320 on: April 09, 2021, 02:50:01 PM »
Does anyone have a clear sense for what crimes Gaetz could realistically be charged with in this case?

There are now a lot of pretty credible allegations that he has done a whole bunch of disgusting stuff.

But it is unclear to me how any of this is obviously a crime, especially a federal crime.  

I mean, you could make a theoretical argument that it violates multiple prostitution-adjacent federal laws, but only in such a tenuous way that I doubt anyone would reasonably expect a conviction on any of it.
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« Reply #321 on: April 09, 2021, 03:06:06 PM »
Quote from: Fmr. Gov. NickG on April 09, 2021, 02:50:01 PM
Does anyone have a clear sense for what crimes Gaetz could realistically be charged with in this case?

There are now a lot of pretty credible allegations that he has done a whole bunch of disgusting stuff.

But it is unclear to me how any of this is obviously a crime, especially a federal crime.  

I mean, you could make a theoretical argument that it violates multiple prostitution-adjacent federal laws, but only in such a tenuous way that I doubt anyone would reasonably expect a conviction on any of it.

If he brought underage girls across state lines (or international borders, since a Bahamas trip has now been mentioned) for sex, that's the very definition of sex trafficking, a Federal crime.
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« Reply #322 on: April 09, 2021, 03:23:57 PM »
Quote from: GeorgiaModerate on April 09, 2021, 03:06:06 PM

If he brought underage girls across state lines (or international borders, since a Bahamas trip has now been mentioned) for sex, that's the very definition of sex trafficking, a Federal crime.

I feel like there are additional elements to this crime that are being left out. Like, my impression is that they only apply to "commercial" sex.  And how exactly would you establish that someone was being brought across states lines "for sex"?
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« Reply #323 on: April 09, 2021, 03:29:26 PM »
Pat Robertson is so hypocritical, he was outraged along with 700 club with Lewinsky, but you don't hear from him now
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« Reply #324 on: April 09, 2021, 03:32:25 PM »
I mean, if we feel as a society like it should be a crime for a 37-yo to sleep with a 17-yo, we should make that a crime (and I wouldn't be opposed to it).

But if it isn't a crime for a 37-yo to sleep with a 17-yo, it shouldn't be a crime for a 37-you to buy a 17-yo dinner.

And if you're trying to prosecute the dinner rather than the sex, that deserves to be called a witch hunt.
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