Do you support Biden's recent immigration actions ?

[jojoju1998]

Do you support Biden's recent immigration actions ?

[Hermit For Peace]

Yes. We don't need to be inundated with numbers of people from other countries that are TOO massive to handle. We just can't save the world. We have a right to protect our borders.

[Vice President Christian Man]

No he should crack down on work visas, not migrants. But this conservative pivot reminds me of Bill Clinton and it's not healthy for the Dem Party in the long term. While open borders are irresponsible for many reasons, the number of Trump supporters who are like "oh boy, Biden no longer supports open borders, I'm voting for him" is negligible and at this point it's doing a better job at dampening liberal enthusiasm than crossing over especially when for the first two years he denied that there was such a crisis in place. If Biden manages to win in 2024 it'll be due to a combination of him doing a good job of painting his opponent of being more extreme/luck rather than most of his policy ideas other than BBB which was heavily watered down.

[Aurelius2]

Mixed feelings on the Venezuelans, enthusiastically supportive of the wall.

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

I've said many times before that a wall will do little to prevent border hopping (it'll just create a market for climbing apparatus right at the border) and that we need to make the legal immigration process smoother and faster to process.

[Ferguson97]

I am strongly opposed to any deportations of non-violent criminals, and oppose increased border wall funding.

[Sir Mohamed]

Yup. It's no secret our immigration system is in need of bold reforms and that we need to do more to fight the causes of migration movements on a global stage, but illegal immigration needs to be stopped. Even putting aside other problems, it's also unfair when you actually support legal immigration because it's unfair to groups that follow the rules and wait in lines for years.

Biden should have done this earlier. Sadly though the GOP isn't interested that he fixes the border issues because it's a campaign ploy to rile people up for them.

[Dr. MB]

Obviously not. As I said he’s implementing very right wing policies which serve political narratives over ethics and morals.

[Person Man]

What we need to do is address the reasons why they are here more directly.

[MillennialModerate]

Immigration is one of the few issues I don’t agree with Biden on and think a border wall would be a good thing

[Person Man]

Immigration is one of the few issues I don’t agree with Biden on and think a border wall would be a good thing

I totally agree with this but this problem won’t go away until we find a way to mitigate the causes of people showing up all the time.

and STILL the question is why Democrats should alienate guys in places like Michigan and Pennsylvania just to get some guys in Texas and Florida to not vote for them anyways?

There are tons of issues where the Democrats need to draw the line on. Healthcare in general ,whether its "access" or whether people should be allowed to get it at all without going to jail, being left alone in general, especially from the NSA or FSB, keeping the country a democracy and the world safe for democracy, and things like Social Security are non-negotiable issues.

Things like immigration, and to a lesser extent, police brutality and the welfare of transgendered people, are important things that need to be addressed. However 1) society is not ready to address them, and 2) there are still a lot of practical reasons why an unapologetic blank-check approach to advocacy is not the best thing for society or even for the affected people.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Yes, and ALLRED will be helped by this but we also need immigration reform

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Yes. We don't need to be inundated with numbers of people from other countries that are TOO massive to handle. We just can't save the world. We have a right to protect our borders.

Mexicans are Arabs, Decendants of Hebrew Queens and Pharoahs, there are 13 percent blk and 25 Arab and Latinos, here already that have green cards

 They took the Greyhound bus with me, but yes Arabs and Latinos are the same and Asians are Arabs too because Mexicans have slanted eyes like Asians do, but Asians are Asian too but they are Chinese Eskimo

[patzer]

Not at all- America is objectively one of the countries most able to absorb immigrants thanks to its wealth and low population, and the number of migrants is relatively small anyway as the Americas are fairly sparsely populated in general compared to Afro-Eurasia. The only way America is going to be able to compete with India and China is by having more people, and making immigration easy for people across Latin America (and maybe Europe too) is a key part of that.

Biden going full on "build the wall" is ridiculous

[Person Man]

Not at all- America is objectively one of the countries most able to absorb immigrants thanks to its wealth and low population, and the number of migrants is relatively small anyway as the Americas are fairly sparsely populated in general compared to Afro-Eurasia. The only way America is going to be able to compete with India and China is by having more people, and making immigration easy for people across Latin America (and maybe Europe too) is a key part of that.

Biden going full on "build the wall" is ridiculous

There's nothing immoral about immigration in and of itself. Even if people need to come here and otherwise can't wait to be let or otherwise aren't qualified through no direct fault of their own. That's not the issue. The issue is how we address the issue that is practical and works for everyone.

[MR DARK BRANDON]

Yes in the sense there was nothing else he could have done but he should bring back Obama era policies

[Hermit For Peace]

What we need to do is address the reasons why they are here more directly.

That's what I keep thinking. Go to the root cause instead of spending so much money putting bandaids on the problem. But alas, we're not there yet. And the countries of origin aren't there yet either. So we will keep having the problem of a massive border influx until we all get it together.

Until then, we can't feel guilty for protecting our borders. Again, we can't save the world.

[President Johnson]

Absolutely. I personally would have done so sooner and would go even further. At the same time, I would support legislation to reform the immigration system and protect Dreamers as well as offer them a pathway to citizenship.

[GP270watch]

Obama/Biden have always been bad at immigration. They don't have the numbers to pass the comprehensive reform we need and actually enforce the laws as well as any GOP president but then get slammed for being "open borders". It's a terrible political situation, optics wise.

 America needs immigrants.

[TransfemmeGoreVidal]

Immigration is one of the few issues I don’t agree with Biden on and think a border wall would be a good thing

I totally agree with this but this problem won’t go away until we find a way to mitigate the causes of people showing up all the time.

and STILL the question is why Democrats should alienate guys in places like Michigan and Pennsylvania just to get some guys in Texas and Florida to not vote for them anyways?

There are tons of issues where the Democrats need to draw the line on. Healthcare in general ,whether its "access" or whether people should be allowed to get it at all without going to jail, being left alone in general, especially from the NSA or FSB, keeping the country a democracy and the world safe for democracy, and things like Social Security are non-negotiable issues.

Things like immigration, and to a lesser extent, police brutality and the welfare of transgendered people, are important things that need to be addressed. However 1) society is not ready to address them, and 2) there are still a lot of practical reasons why an unapologetic blank-check approach to advocacy is not the best thing for society or even for the affected people.

So it's okay to harm marginalized people for some illusory greater good just because standing up for them is politically inconvenient?

[junior chįmp]

When you fail the framing battle....you have no choice but to do what Biden did.

[Horus]

Yes. The open borders wing has controlled the party for ten years and someone needed to knock them down a peg. Hopefully it's not too little too late.

[Hermit For Peace]

Immigration is one of the few issues I don’t agree with Biden on and think a border wall would be a good thing

I totally agree with this but this problem won’t go away until we find a way to mitigate the causes of people showing up all the time.

and STILL the question is why Democrats should alienate guys in places like Michigan and Pennsylvania just to get some guys in Texas and Florida to not vote for them anyways?

There are tons of issues where the Democrats need to draw the line on. Healthcare in general ,whether its "access" or whether people should be allowed to get it at all without going to jail, being left alone in general, especially from the NSA or FSB, keeping the country a democracy and the world safe for democracy, and things like Social Security are non-negotiable issues.

Things like immigration, and to a lesser extent, police brutality and the welfare of transgendered people, are important things that need to be addressed. However 1) society is not ready to address them, and 2) there are still a lot of practical reasons why an unapologetic blank-check approach to advocacy is not the best thing for society or even for the affected people.

So it's okay to harm marginalized people for some illusory greater good just because standing up for them is politically inconvenient?

Their own country is harming them much more than anybody else ever could. Do you ever question why these people risk their lives to come to the US? What in hell is going on in their own country? I believe that for the most part the US is a magnanimous country, but we don't have to take everyone in. We have rights. We have the right to protect the sanctity of our own borders. We aren't responsible for the world. Stop feeling guilty.

[TransfemmeGoreVidal]

Immigration is one of the few issues I don’t agree with Biden on and think a border wall would be a good thing

I totally agree with this but this problem won’t go away until we find a way to mitigate the causes of people showing up all the time.

and STILL the question is why Democrats should alienate guys in places like Michigan and Pennsylvania just to get some guys in Texas and Florida to not vote for them anyways?

There are tons of issues where the Democrats need to draw the line on. Healthcare in general ,whether its "access" or whether people should be allowed to get it at all without going to jail, being left alone in general, especially from the NSA or FSB, keeping the country a democracy and the world safe for democracy, and things like Social Security are non-negotiable issues.

Things like immigration, and to a lesser extent, police brutality and the welfare of transgendered people, are important things that need to be addressed. However 1) society is not ready to address them, and 2) there are still a lot of practical reasons why an unapologetic blank-check approach to advocacy is not the best thing for society or even for the affected people.

So it's okay to harm marginalized people for some illusory greater good just because standing up for them is politically inconvenient?

Their own country is harming them much more than anybody else ever could. Do you ever question why these people risk their lives to come to the US? What in hell is going on in their own country? I believe that for the most part the US is a magnanimous country, but we don't have to take everyone in. We have rights. We have the right to protect the sanctity of our own borders. We aren't responsible for the world. Stop feeling guilty.

Nativists said the same thing about my Irish ancestors in the 1850s.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

The border walls in South Texas run right through important wildlife refuges. Awful stuff.