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« on: May 08, 2018, 10:46:29 AM »



F-ing moron.
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2018, 10:50:00 AM »

Thanks, Bolton!

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2018, 10:50:16 AM »

Fortunately most of the world now ignores America on the Iran issue.
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2018, 10:51:48 AM »

So the defining accomplishment of the Trump Doctrine is encouraging global nuclear proliferation?
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2018, 10:55:38 AM »

Horrid move, but still balanced in people's minds with Korea...which makes his foreign policy reputation as a draw.
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2018, 10:56:44 AM »

Oh well, it is our loss.

The deal will continue with or without the US. But good luck getting anyone to work with you when you operate in bad faith.


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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2018, 10:58:28 AM »

Oh well, it is our loss.

The deal will continue with or without the US. But good luck getting anyone to work with you when you operate in bad faith.

Kim Jong Un hasn't pulled out of the coming summit with Trump yet. 
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2018, 11:00:27 AM »

Horrid move, but still balanced in people's minds with Korea...which makes his foreign policy reputation as a draw.
But this move could cause distrust from the Koreans, leading to failed negotiations. So I wouldn't exactly call it a draw yet.
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2018, 11:01:14 AM »

Trump proves again that the United States cannot be trusted on the international stage. Sad!
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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2018, 11:02:06 AM »

Oh well, it is our loss.

The deal will continue with or without the US. But good luck getting anyone to work with you when you operate in bad faith.

Kim Jong Un hasn't pulled out of the coming summit with Trump yet. 

Why would he?

A summit costs him nothing.
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2018, 11:03:19 AM »

It's not as if breaking treaties is anything new to us.  We made (and unmade) treaties with various Indian tribes throughout our history up until the final closing of the frontier whenever it suited us.  
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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2018, 11:06:01 AM »

Does Trump really pull out of anything at all?
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2018, 11:09:07 AM »


Tearing something down is always easier than building something, and it makes you look manly and tough in the eyes of your supporterscult.
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2018, 11:12:59 AM »

Oh well, it is our loss.

The deal will continue with or without the US. But good luck getting anyone to work with you when you operate in bad faith.

Kim Jong Un hasn't pulled out of the coming summit with Trump yet
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2018, 11:14:46 AM »
« Edited: May 08, 2018, 11:19:21 AM by JFK »

Stupid stupid stupid move

No, but I wish his father had.
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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2018, 11:24:46 AM »

Dumb move with the summit with NK coming up and the Europeans moving closer to fairly reasonable asks on the supplement agreement, but stupid is as stupid does.
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2018, 11:35:54 AM »

Congrats, Isra-sorry, Saud-nah,"America"-Firsters.
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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2018, 11:59:54 AM »

RIP Israel
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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2018, 12:01:15 PM »


Israel will fine.

Unlike them and the US, the Iranians are rational ( I can't believe I am saying that lol).
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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2018, 12:02:27 PM »


Israel will fine.

Unlike them and the US, the Iranians are rational ( I can't believe I am saying that lol).

That, and there’s a Venezuela-style economic crisis they’re dealing with too. The Mullahs will navigate that before anything happens.
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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2018, 12:04:25 PM »

This would be serious grounds for concern if the US still had credibility on international affairs.  It doesn't.

But uh, thanks for giving Iran another playing chip?
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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2018, 12:06:05 PM »

Good, it was a ridiculously fking moronic deal that exemplified the one critical failing of the Obama administration. Unfortunately most of the damage done cannot be undone but a renewal of sanctions to put pressure on Iran and get a deal that actually involves ensuring they don’t build nukes would be a gd start.

Sad that in order to get someone with a backbone in the White House you have to also get someone who doesn’t care if poor people die in the streets. Where’s the president who can improve on Obamacare AND actually represent America’s interests abroad in a decent fashion
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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2018, 12:08:27 PM »

Good, it was a ridiculously fking moronic deal that exemplified the one critical failing of the Obama administration. Unfortunately most of the damage done cannot be undone but a renewal of sanctions to put pressure on Iran and get a deal that actually involves ensuring they don’t build nukes would be a gd start.

Sad that in order to get someone with a backbone in the White House you have to also get someone who doesn’t care if poor people die in the streets. Where’s the president who can improve on Obamacare AND actually represent America’s interests abroad in a decent fashion

I would rather try to fix JCPOA’s flaws through negotiations with our partners (Macron was clearly onboard with fixing it) than taking the ball and going home. This hurts our negotiating position rather than strengthening it, both in the ME and with DPRK
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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2018, 12:10:01 PM »

Oh well, it is our loss.

The deal will continue with or without the US. But good luck getting anyone to work with you when you operate in bad faith.

Hopefully the end result will be the US removing its tentacles from every conflict area in the world that we're somehow responsible for.
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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2018, 12:19:26 PM »

Good, it was a ridiculously fking moronic deal that exemplified the one critical failing of the Obama administration. Unfortunately most of the damage done cannot be undone but a renewal of sanctions to put pressure on Iran and get a deal that actually involves ensuring they don’t build nukes would be a gd start.

Sad that in order to get someone with a backbone in the White House you have to also get someone who doesn’t care if poor people die in the streets. Where’s the president who can improve on Obamacare AND actually represent America’s interests abroad in a decent fashion

I would rather try to fix JCPOA’s flaws through negotiations with our partners (Macron was clearly onboard with fixing it) than taking the ball and going home. This hurts our negotiating position rather than strengthening it, both in the ME and with DPRK
With what leverage? While the deal is in place we can’t apply any decent sanctions that caused the deal in the first place. Unfortunately the deal let Iran unfreeze and get many of their assets abroad to safe havens we can no longer touch (thanks Kerry for that master stroke) but at least we can get some leverage back on Iran to make substantive changes this way. Frankly Iran is tied to keeping to the deal’s terms anyway unless they want all other countries to follow suit so this really will only improve things - it’s not like Iran had any real incentive to stop building nukes with the current deal anyway, they just have to make a modest attempt at hiding what they’re doing and publicly denying it. Such a pathetic deal that walking away and coming back once we have regained some semblance of leverage loses us nothing.

Trusting crazies to stop being crazies on their honor and giving them billions in return has got to be one of the dumbest things America has ever done. We got literally nothing out of it and our idiot allies just don’t want to rock the boat so fk them if they aren’t interested in actual enforcement of denuclearization.
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