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David S
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« on: January 01, 2005, 09:26:12 PM »

I disagree. Instead, Citizens should send aid where they see fit.

Philip thats Libertarian philosophy 101 and I agree completely.
Beyond that, the 10th amendment says the federal government only has the powers granted by the constitution, and foreign aid is not one of those powers. That makes it unconstitutional. Unfortunately the American people don't care much about the constitution so government feels free to ignore it.

Your point is exactly right. The people should have the right to send aid as they see fit. Why would anyone want to give government the power to confiscate their money and spend it as government sees fit.
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David S
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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2005, 10:06:14 PM »

Foreign Aid is merely part of international diplomacy, no more.

What part of the constitution authorizes that. If the politicians want to be diplomats let them use their own money.
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David S
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2005, 11:59:44 AM »

Well, if you want to view it as part of the treaty clause (which it hasn't been--you don't see the Senate approving it by 2/3's votes)--then it all boils down to another question:  Was the Louisiana Purchase constitutional?  (ie does the enumerated powers section even apply to treaties?)

A case can be made that it doesn't, since treaties are not normal pieces of legislation--they are negotiated by the President, not drafted by Congress--the Senate is simply ratifying the treaty, nothing more.

Questions like this are where I get a bit ancy, personally--as I'm a libertarian domestically (economically more so than socially), but when it comes to foreign policy, no way.  And that's the major reason I still consider myself a Republican, not a Libertarian.

Foreign aid isn't charity--it's a tool to further the interests of the United States (well, that may have come off wrong, but you know what I mean)--qv the Marshall Plan.

The Louisiana purchase was unconstitutional and as I recall Jefferson himself lamented the fact that he had violated it. But that happened two hundred years ago and we can't change it now. However, that doesn't mean that its OK for other presidents to violate the constitution. That would be like saying O.J. Simpson got away with murder so now anyone can commit murder.

As far as treaties go, yes they probably could be used to create legal foreign aid plans, but I don't think the founders intended it that way. And as you point out no such treaty has been signed.

When it comes to foreign aid for security, such as our support for Israel, possibly that can be justified as defense. But when it comes to situations such as the tsunami disaster, I think the government is overstepping its bounds, despite the humanitarian nature of it. Whats wrong with allowing the people to decide how much they wish to spend on it?

One of the reasons I object to government violations of the constitution is that the constitution is the fundamental law of the land. It defines the government, limits the power of government, and protects your rights and mine. Without the constitution our government could become the worst form of tyranny imaginable. When government is allowed to violate the constitution, even for benevolent purposes, it opens the door to further violations, some of which might not be so benign. We should not fall asleep at the switch and assume that government always acts in our best interest. We should be vigilant and hold their feet to the fire when it comes to the constitution.
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David S
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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2005, 01:19:20 AM »

My favorite story about the Federal Government spending money on charity is the story of Horatio Bunce.  If you have not read it here is a link:

http://www.juntosociety.com/patriotism/inytg.html

The story comes from “The Life of Colonel David Crockett,: published in 1884.

The only way foreign aid is constitutional is if it is part of a Treaty or is part of our national defense.  For those that would argue against foreign aid as part of national defense being constitutional I would refer you to the History of the Barbary Pirates.  The US paid ransoms and bribes to keep US citizens and shipping safe.  As this was done by our founding fathers, and I have yet to find any early documents saying they thought it was unconstitutional, I would think it could safely be considered constitutional.


That is a great story. I read it many years ago but haven't been able to find it since. Thanks for the link.
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