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Mr. Reactionary
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« on: January 20, 2023, 01:37:54 PM »
« edited: February 26, 2023, 11:56:05 AM by Mr. Reactionary »

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FOREIGN ARMS SALES AMENDMENT ACT

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1. The Arsenal of Democracy Act shall be amended as follows:

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2.) In light of the above criteria the following countries are hereby barred from purchasing either non-lethal or lethal arms from Atlasia or from receiving military or policing training; either in their own country or in Atlasia.

2A.) Azerbaijan
2B.) Central African Republic
2C.) China
2D.) Brunei
2E.) Belarus
2F.) Egypt
2G.) Iran
2H.) Syria
2I.) Myanmar
2J.) Zimbabwe
2K.) Saudi Arabia


2A.) Azerbaijan
2B.) Belarus
2C.) Brunei
2D.) China
2E.) Cuba
2F.) Iran
2G.) Mauritania
2H.) Myanmar
2I.) North Korea
2J.) Russia
2K.) Saudi Arabia
2L.) Syria
2M.) Ukraine
2N.) Zimbabwe


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2. This act shall take effect 30 days from the date of passage.

Sponsor: NCY
Debate on this bill is now open.
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2023, 02:08:11 PM »

This adjusts the list of foreign countries we are prohibited from selling weapons to.
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2023, 06:00:03 PM »

24 hours for objections.
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2023, 06:07:53 PM »

So Im going to object for the following reasons:

1. The Ukrainian military is run by actual Nazis.

ATLASIAN PUBLIC ACTS

Russia-Ukraine Stalemate Continues, Zelensky Commissar Order Quietly Repealed.
By NewYorkExpress

As the military conflict between Russia and Ukraine stretches into what looks like a stalemate, causing some observers, such as retired Atlasian diplomat and Ukraine expert Marie Yovanovitch to opine that the situation, which continues to see a stalemated conflict zone of troops fighting near Sumy, and near Dinipro, as well as a third hot zone as part of a Ukrainian offensive towards Crimea, is comparable to the Korean War between North Korea and China and the former United States and South Korea between 1950 and 1953, which technically hasn’t ended, and is only will have considered to end once both countries ratify the Panmunjom framework. That war spent many years bogged down in a stalemate, and Yovanovitch, speaking to CNN’s Christiane Amanpour, stated that this one likely would remain one too, unless NATO got involved, or Atlasia intervened by itself.

One of the most aggressive acts of the war, meanwhile, by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, based on the Nazi’s Commissar orders, requiring the execution of any captured Russian soldiers, was quietly repealed after widespread disobedience from Ukrainian soldiers, and threats to bring Zelensky before the International Criminal Court on War Crimes charges.

A UN resolution, proposed by the United Kingdom, to institute sanctions against both Ukraine and Russia is awaiting a vote, but it is expected to be vetoed by Russia, and possibly China.

2. Mauritania is the biggest remaining slaver country.

3. While North Korea is currently at peace, I do not see  flooding them with weapons a good solution for peace.

4. Cuba is still a repressive dictatorship. Id be down to add more to the list but I dont see that as a reason to sell weapons to Cuba.

5. Brunei I also dont know much about and assume it was on the list because it was on the previous list. I will not object to that deletion.

I will open up the amendment vote in a few.
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E: 5.45, S: -3.35

« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2023, 07:25:30 PM »

A final on the Laki Amendment below is now open on until midnight eastern on Sunday. Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.


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FOREIGN ARMS SALES AMENDMENT ACT

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1. The Arsenal of Democracy Act shall be amended as follows:

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2.) In light of the above criteria the following countries are hereby barred from purchasing either non-lethal or lethal arms from Atlasia or from receiving military or policing training; either in their own country or in Atlasia.

2A.) Azerbaijan
2B.) Central African Republic
2C.) China
2D.) Brunei
2E.) Belarus
2F.) Egypt
2G.) Iran
2H.) Syria
2I.) Myanmar
2J.) Zimbabwe
2K.) Saudi Arabia


2A.) Azerbaijan
2B.) Belarus
2C.) Brunei
2D.) China
2E.) Cuba
2F.) Iran
2G.) Mauritania
2H.) Myanmar
2I.) North Korea
2J.) Russia
2K.) Saudi Arabia
2L.) Syria
2M.) Ukraine
2N.) Zimbabwe


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E: 5.45, S: -3.35

« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2023, 07:30:51 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2023, 04:55:35 PM »

Is there any specific reason to ban North Korea from purchasing weapons that can't be applied to other countries, or the world in general?

To keep things peaceful.
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2023, 05:04:34 PM »

Is there any specific reason to ban North Korea from purchasing weapons that can't be applied to other countries, or the world in general?

To keep things peaceful.
In that case should we also ban arms sales to South Korea?

Possibly. Would that violate any treaties?
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2023, 11:40:09 PM »

Amendment fails 1-9-3-5.

Debate resumes.
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2023, 08:55:53 PM »

24 hours to object to the amendment
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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2023, 07:24:14 AM »

Laki Amendment is adopted.
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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2023, 11:18:45 AM »

24 hours to object to the Laki amendment
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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2023, 11:34:54 AM »

So Im fine with most of these.

I selectively object to Israel and Turkey, due to treaty obligations.

I will wait to open a vote until the 24 hour mark so we can see if there are any other selective objections, and then we can vote on each individually at the same time. That way, all the ones that we are all fine with are adopted and we dont have to duplicate amendments
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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2023, 12:47:27 PM »

Turkey is NATO yes

Israel found here https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-israel/
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2023, 12:55:51 PM »

Well I will accept the changes already (given that would open a whole different discussion for now), even if i personally disagree with those. But it is a valid point that these cannot be added because of existing treaties.

Cool, in that case my proposal is just a friendly amendment and we wont have to vote if there are no objections.
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« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2023, 08:54:08 AM »

Lakis Amended Amendment is adopted.
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2023, 07:43:22 AM »

Any other countries?
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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2023, 12:44:27 PM »

24 hours to object to the 2 amendments.
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2023, 01:59:11 PM »

Amendments are adopted.
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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2023, 09:16:58 PM »

So are we all in agreement now?
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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2023, 08:01:50 AM »

24 hours to object
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2023, 08:01:39 AM »

Amendment is adopted.

I move for a final vote. 24 hrs to object.
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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2023, 02:54:55 PM »

Motion passes. I will open a final vote on this and the other bills tomorrow morning.
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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2023, 06:26:11 AM »

A final vote is now open on this bill lasting until Wednesday Eastern at noon (102 Hours) or until everyone has voted, whichever occurs soonest. Please Vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

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FOREIGN ARMS SALES AMENDMENT ACT

Quote
1. The Arsenal of Democracy Act shall be amended as follows:

Quote
...

2.) In light of the above criteria the following countries are hereby barred from purchasing either non-lethal or lethal arms from Atlasia or from receiving military or policing training; either in their own country or in Atlasia.

Algeria
Angola
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Belarus
Brunei
Burkina Faso
Cambodia
Cameroon
Central African Republic
Comoros
Chad
China
Cuba
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Djibouti
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Eswatini
Gabon
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Haiti
India
Iran
Iraq
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Libya
Oman
Mali
Mauritania
Myanmar
Nicaragua
Niger
Pakistan
Palestine
Peru
Qatar
Republic of the Congo
Russia
Saudi Arabia
Serbia
Somalia
Sudan
Syria
Tajikistan
Thailand
Togo
Turkmenistan
Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
Uzbekistan
Yemen
Zimbabwe

2A.) Azerbaijan
2B.) Central African Republic
2C.) China
2D.) Brunei
2E.) Belarus
2F.) Egypt
2G.) Iran
2H.) Syria
2I.) Myanmar
2J.) Zimbabwe
2K.) Saudi Arabia


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2. This act shall take effect 30 days from the date of passage.
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E: 5.45, S: -3.35

« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2023, 07:13:23 AM »

Aye
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