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Verily
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« on: December 06, 2007, 04:04:38 PM »
« edited: December 06, 2007, 04:06:34 PM by Verily »

I always thought of NY as more of a Democratic bastion than VT. If you're assuming a 10% swing from 2004, you'd be right. Is VT more liberal than NY?

Vermont's state legislature voted to approve impeaching Bush and Cheney.  I don't think they're too fond of the Republicans.

If the GOP ran a fiscally conservative, socially liberal candidate they could win in Vermont.  It wasn't all that long ago that Vermont was a Republican bastion.  There is a lot of libertarianism in the northeast and I think that is why the GOP has lost their place there because they have been catering more to social issues rather than more libertarian issues like they used to be.

Vermont, at least, has changed radically, and characterizing it as "libertarian" is hopelessly misguided. The state sends a self-professed socialist to the Senate, and the Vermont Progressive Party, a social democratic to socialist party, is the most successful state-level third party in the nation.
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Verily
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E: 1.81, S: -6.78

« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2007, 12:07:09 AM »

I always thought of NY as more of a Democratic bastion than VT. If you're assuming a 10% swing from 2004, you'd be right. Is VT more liberal than NY?

Vermont's state legislature voted to approve impeaching Bush and Cheney.  I don't think they're too fond of the Republicans.

If the GOP ran a fiscally conservative, socially liberal candidate they could win in Vermont.  It wasn't all that long ago that Vermont was a Republican bastion.  There is a lot of libertarianism in the northeast and I think that is why the GOP has lost their place there because they have been catering more to social issues rather than more libertarian issues like they used to be.

Vermont, at least, has changed radically, and characterizing it as "libertarian" is hopelessly misguided. The state sends a self-professed socialist to the Senate, and the Vermont Progressive Party, a social democratic to socialist party, is the most successful state-level third party in the nation.

I am aware of that, but Martha Rainville still managed to get 45% of the vote in Vermont last year when she ran for Congress and that was a year in which the GOP was getting their butts whomped.  It's not hopeless yet.

Martha Rainville basically ran against everything the Republican Party stands for, too. Her "success" should be an indication of how hopeless Vermont is for Republicans. (I'm speaking in general terms; they do elect Republicans occasionally, such as their governor. Of course, even Massachusetts does that sometimes.)
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