Scientists recommend that humans consumption of meat is unsustainable to life

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More meat = more muscle = more manliness

Not necessarily true at all. It's not more difficult and not more expensive to consume just as many proteins as a vegetarian. And millions of Americans are fat as hell and eat way too much meat.

eating a lot of meat doesn't make people fat.  Eating a lot of sweets and breads makes people fat.  Orange juice is worse for you than bacon.

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Sure, there are people who are "strong" who don't eat meat, but it's harder and rarer than "strong" people that do eat meat.  Humans evolved with meat as an important part of our diet and like most of the things humans evolved into doing, it can be changed, but it takes work.  What percentage of professional athletes are veggies/vegans?  I'd guess something less than 1%, but I don't know.


edit for anecdote-I know and have known many veggies/vegans and I know a lot of "strong" people, I"ve never known someone that's both.  I know it's possible, but it's certainly not common.

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My biggest problem with meat is the suffering the mammals have to go through.  Even if we make life as nice as possible, it's still a tragedy for each and every pig, cow, goat, etc.  I can't wait for factory meat.

screw the birds/dinosaurs and fish

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Well fish has its own problems. An awful lot of ocean plastic comes from nets and other such junk, and both fish farming and using natural fish stocks create their own problems.

oh yeah, those are big problems too, I was mostly talking about their suffering and my guilt about killing them.  Mammals are special to me*, I pretty much like them all.  Fish and birds, they are like worms and bugs and vegetables, they don't have a soul.  I'm a bigot against non-mammalian life, I admit it.



*the first time I ever got mice in the house glue traps were suggested to me.  How is that legal?  So cruel.  It nearly brought me to tears.  The traditional ways of killing mice are the best.  Cats and regular old cartoony "snap" traps.  Cats are probably just as cruel as the glue traps, but at least it's "natural" and that guilt over the cruelty is more on the cat than me.  Snap traps are, more than 90% of the time, cruelty free.  The damn thing is just dead.

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edit for anecdote-I know and have known many veggies/vegans and I know a lot of "strong" people, I"ve never known someone that's both.  I know it's possible, but it's certainly not common.

Peak dead0man right there.

i have no idea if this is supposed to be a dig or a compliment, but thanks for reading.

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Although I don’t doubt that a dramatic reorganization of the Western diet is necessary; due to the twin evils of mass industrial agriculture, such as pollution and rampant abuse of animals. I do have contention with the people who preach to ordinary folks how they need to make enormous changes in their personal lives (changes that are often costly), yet downplay or turn a blind eye to the real cause of global pollution - the super rich and multinational corporations that exploit the environment with no regard for the consequences, all for the sake of profit. It’s the global 1% that contribute overwhelmingly to global pollution; the world’s poorest 50% barest make a tiny dent.

I think you might want to define your terms more narrowly, as everyone who posts on the Atlas Forum is a member of the global 1%.

You’re right that I should’ve defined the parameters of the globe’s super rich far more narrowly. However, not all people on Atlas are part of the global top 1%; I, along with some others, I’m sure, don’t make more than $32,400 yearly.

You need some PPP adjustments. Someone making $33k in San Francisco is obviously much worse off than someone making $32k in Bangalore.

perhaps, but I suspect most people would still pick SF if given the option.  Even if they'd be "much worse off".  Sure, there might be more human sh**t on the streets of SF, but it's still the better place to live.

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I know a chap in Hudson, who is a tall, strapping quite muscled man, who is a vegan. I was shocked when I was informed of his dietary habits.

indeed.  That is unusual.

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So, you seriously think everyone that uses this site makes at least $50k individually or $75k as a household?

not everyone, but certainly the vast majority do or come from families that do.