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« Reply #125 on: August 15, 2015, 09:27:40 AM »
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IMO Labour would've done better with Balls as leader and Ed as Shadow Chancellor instead of the other way around. Balls could've unleashed the works at PMQs and Ed as a geeky technocratic type may have been better suited.
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« Reply #126 on: August 15, 2015, 03:14:18 PM »

Received an email from Dan Jarvis (who has barely said a dickie bird during this campaign) urging a vote for Creasy for Deputy. So he backs a Burnham/Creasy ticket, which funnily enough was my idea of a dream ticket right after the GE.
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« Reply #127 on: August 15, 2015, 03:22:51 PM »
« Edited: August 15, 2015, 03:24:31 PM by Phony Moderate »

What are the chances of Corbyn becoming party leader at this point?

Pretty high (he has a 37-point lead after all) but not certain. What is certain is that things will get nasty after September 12th no matter the result.
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« Reply #128 on: August 16, 2015, 05:05:49 AM »

Brown to intervene today. A ComRes poll apparently shows that, according to the public, Corbyn would be the best and worst leader electorally. It also shows that David Miliband is more popular than any of them; given that the average journalist almost certainly has a giant framed photograph of him on their bedroom ceiling, this isn't surprising.
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« Reply #129 on: August 16, 2015, 08:27:56 AM »

Brown speaking now. Started off well but now going off on a weird tangent about Nelson Mandela's 90th birthday celebrations.
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« Reply #130 on: August 16, 2015, 08:57:45 AM »

Didn't endorse anyone. Lots of stuff about 'electability' and 'the need for power' early on but not so much in the latter stages. Ended it by quoting Bevan.
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« Reply #131 on: August 16, 2015, 12:32:16 PM »

Brown speaking now. Started off well but now going off on a weird tangent about Nelson Mandela's 90th birthday celebrations.
I would have assumed he would back Cooper, she and Balls always stroke me as Brownites

Balls is practically his political son.
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« Reply #132 on: August 16, 2015, 02:25:43 PM »

The Independent on Sunday has learned that, if he wins, Corbyn intends to make John McDonnell Shadow Chancellor and put Tom Watson in a 'party management' role.
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« Reply #133 on: August 16, 2015, 03:05:35 PM »

Would Watson suggest full leftist?

Watson is a right-winger who has appeal across the party.
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« Reply #134 on: August 16, 2015, 03:15:53 PM »

Watson is a unionist, which for some media people automatically means "raging leftie"


They should take a look at the voting breakdown of the 1981 deputy contest.
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« Reply #135 on: August 17, 2015, 08:47:42 AM »

Just voted online. For Leader - 1. Corbyn, 2. Burnham, 3. Cooper, 4. Kendall. For Deputy - 1. Creasy, 2. Watson, 3. Eagle, 4. Flint, 5. Bradshaw. Cashman and Clark for the CAC.

Oh, and David Miliband has endorsed Kendall.


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« Reply #136 on: August 17, 2015, 09:58:51 AM »

Will the Deputy result be announced before or after the Leader? If before then it might give an indication of the Leader result, particularly if Eagle does well.
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« Reply #137 on: August 17, 2015, 10:36:16 AM »

Take with plenty of salt, but rumour is that Corbyn activists are worried about early canvassing figures from Unite. To add even more salt: the rumour is from Dan Hodges.
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« Reply #138 on: August 18, 2015, 03:50:03 AM »

London will be interesting; polls amongst general Labour voters give Jowell a handy lead but I don't think there has been a poll of members and registered supporters.
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« Reply #139 on: August 18, 2015, 05:10:12 AM »

Voted for Burnham, Watson and Jowell. Where does that put me on the ideological spectrum Tongue

You didn't vote for the one who will make Labour un-electable for a generation.

He'd certainly have better personal ratings than Bill Shorten though...
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« Reply #140 on: August 18, 2015, 12:39:35 PM »

The bookmaker Paddy Power is now paying out on a Corbyn victory.
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« Reply #141 on: August 18, 2015, 05:15:49 PM »

Burnham hasn't ran the best campaign but his tactics of recent days are probably clever; he could well win quite a few soft Corbynites over.
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« Reply #142 on: August 19, 2015, 06:42:26 AM »

Now would have been a good time for a Burnham\Cooper pact like the old Blair-Brown one, problem is both are mediocre at best

Problem also is that it is too late for anything like that and it would quite possibly benefit Corbyn anyway.
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« Reply #143 on: August 19, 2015, 10:40:29 AM »

The New Statesman has endorsed Cooper (what a sensible lot Smiley):

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/08/ns-leader-choice-labour

If Labour don't take this opportunity to elect it's first woman leader Lord alone knows when they ever will Shocked



When there is a woman worth voting for, probably. Creasy has potential.
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« Reply #144 on: August 19, 2015, 10:42:50 AM »

There is reason to believe that another YouGov poll is in the works; if it shows a similar story to the previous one then that is probably that.
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« Reply #145 on: August 19, 2015, 12:29:16 PM »


Still, George Brown was Deputy for a decade, and Alec Douglas-Home was PM.
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« Reply #146 on: August 19, 2015, 02:34:55 PM »

Stephen Bush of The New Statesman just linked to this week-old article of his.

Still want to see this next YouGov poll though (assuming it will be publically released).
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« Reply #147 on: August 19, 2015, 06:15:51 PM »
« Edited: August 19, 2015, 06:56:43 PM by Phony Moderate »

I'm not sure that people elected in 2010 deserve the label of 'grandee'. Anyhow, I predict that Corbyn won't win; mostly because the idea that I'm on the winning side of anything always digusts me.
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« Reply #148 on: August 20, 2015, 03:50:07 AM »

Deary me.
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« Reply #149 on: August 20, 2015, 08:35:29 AM »
« Edited: August 20, 2015, 08:37:43 AM by Phony Moderate »

What do you define as 'mainstream' opinion though? A majority of the public, rightly or wrongly, support renationalization of the utilities - Link Once put under scrutiny support may or may not fall, but surely that would make that position (which of course Corbyn holds) mainstream? Or are you defining 'mainstream opinion' in the context of Westminster and the media?
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