Do you believe God is limited by scientific law?

[Gustaf]

A more interesting question is whether God is limited by the laws of logic.

[Gustaf]

A more interesting question is whether God is limited by the laws of logic.

Sigh. See my answer to whether God is ruled by scientific law.

A more interesting question is whether God is limited by the laws of logic.

well, since the bible says it is impossible for God to lie, he is simply T=T

Why would it be impossible for God to lie?

Well, I can't answer for anyone else, but I can say what I believe. I do not believe that God is a being per se, at least not in the traditional sense of the word. "He" does not speak as we would think of it. I believe that God is coexistent with the universe; God is the totality of existence, and a metaphor thereof. God can do anything because "He" is everything; "He" knows everything because he is everywhere and has "seen" everything. (The masculine form irritates me, btw). For God to lie, that would mean the universe would have to lie. By definition, all that the universe is is true.

I don't see why my post merits a sigh. You have a specific view which is not mainstream Christian (nor mainstream monotheist). Even if it does not pose a problem for your belief it may for most people discussing the issue here.

[Gustaf]

A more interesting question is whether God is limited by the laws of logic.

Since we understand that no system of logic can derive all truths, I think the answer is a straightforward no.

Ouch. Didn't expect to be Gödeld...I didn't check the link but I've studied the incompleteness theorem. I probably should have worded it differently. Does God have to follow the laws of logic (or put differently, can he break them). Of course he is not limited in the sense that he can't do things not following directly from logical laws. Not even ordinary humans are limited in that way.

[Gustaf]

A more interesting question is whether God is limited by the laws of logic.

Since we understand that no system of logic can derive all truths, I think the answer is a straightforward no.

Ouch. Didn't expect to be Gödeld...I didn't check the link but I've studied the incompleteness theorem. I probably should have worded it differently. Does God have to follow the laws of logic (or put differently, can he break them). Of course he is not limited in the sense that he can't do things not following directly from logical laws. Not even ordinary humans are limited in that way.

I don't think the wording helps. Logical systems (more than one set of laws is possible and reasonable) are inherently either incomplete, inconsistent, or both. When the rules of logic are used in common speech they usually refer to Aristotelian rules of logic, but there are many refinements and variations put forward over the centuries. Since there is more than one set of rules to choose from, and no way to determine a "best" set of rules, statements like "Does God have to follow the laws of logic?" are hard to ascribe meaning and the answer still comes out no.

Yes, yes. I have studied logic (although not as much as you have I'm sure) so I'm familiar with what you're saying. Still, the more basic laws of logic (close to Aristotelian logic, I guess) have intuitive appeal. That's basically what I was referring to.