Republicans - where in the bible does it say Jesus is pro-death penalty

[MissCatholic]

Where in the bible does it say mr.bush that jesus is pro-death penalty.

Karl Rove has told the American people that you read the bible, so can you show me where he says that he is pro-death penalty.
i saw you lie to republicans in the iowa caucus when you said "jesus touched my heart" so if he touched your heart how are you still pro- death penalty.

i repeat again where in the bible does it say that jesus is pro- death penalty.

[Richard]

Go here:
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php

And learn to use the SEARCH button.  This was discussed less than 2 months ago.

[MissCatholic]

Nice site. sorry i wasnt on two months ago. dont know all the parts of thesite sorry.

[KEmperor]

Leading by example maybe?

[John Dibble]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jesus+death+penalty

The above should give you sufficient reference to many people who believe Jesus supported the death penalty, including specific bible quotes.

[Alcon]

I may be one of the few people who does not base their political views on Jesus's.

[A18]

I'd like to welcome nomorelies back to the forum.

[Citizen James]

Well, the Romans were definitely big fans anyway...

Let's see - first site: The old testament sanctions the death penalty.  God wrote the old testement.  Jesus is God, ergo wrote the old testament and believes in the death penalty.   Nice circular reasoning.  Similar arguements could be used to claim that Jesus sanctions slavery and human sacrafice.

Second site: Murder victim says 'Jesus loves you' over and over.  Nice appeal to emotion, but not a lot of theology.  Next.

Third site is anti-death penalty.

Fourth uses an arguement similar to the first, noting that Jesus did not specifically argue against the death penalty, and further pointing out that he favors the death penalty for anyone who disobeys their parents (And you though you had it tough making it home late for curfew as a kid).

The fifth site is religioustollerance.org, which has a breakdown of the position of the major faiths and sects in the US and their opinion of the death penalty.  To summarize  the Christian groups:  Against: Roman Catholics, American Baptists, Methodists, Evangelical Luterans, Eastern Orthodox, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, The reformed church, and the United Church of Christ.  In favor: Southern Baptists, Missouri Synod Lutherans, Mormons, and some Pentecostals.

Then there's another against, then one based on revelations.  (You can tell a hardcore fundie, because they like revelations better than the gospels).

In a nutshell, you can make an arguement for just about anything based on the bible.  It's hard enough to translate, much less understand clearly.   There are at the several dozen major branches of Christianity, and hundreds of sects, all of whom have their own way of viewing the same document.

[cwelsch]

I'm not really interested in the debate, but I'm fairly certain the Bible says "eye for an eye" somewhere in it.

[Gabu]

I may be one of the few people who does not base their political views on Jesus's.

Yes, we're a dying breed, it seems.

[J.R. Brown]

Jesus taught love and forgiveness, not hate and revenge for sins against God. If you look at the OT (Old Testament), a lot of what they were teaching was vengence for sins against God. Jesus was sent to, not only take the sins of man away, but to instill the values of love and forgiveness.

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I may be one of the few people who does not base their political views on Jesus's.

Yes, we're a dying breed, it seems.

Pretty common in most 1st world countries.

[J.R. Brown]

I may be one of the few people who does not base their political views on Jesus's.

Yes, we're a dying breed, it seems.

Pretty common in most 1st world countries.

Yeah, I never vote on my religious beliefs. It just infuriates me when others misinterpret the teachings of Jesus and use them for justification of their political agendas

[cwelsch]

Jesus taught love and forgiveness, not hate and revenge for sins against God. If you look at the OT (Old Testament), a lot of what they were teaching was vengence for sins against God. Jesus was sent to, not only take the sins of man away, but to instill the values of love and forgiveness.

Yes, and we can see how well love and forgiveness worked against the Nazis at Auschwitz, the Japanese in Nanking and the Chinese in Tibet.  Love and forgiveness are fine, but they're no substitute for a serious ass-kicking.

[ATFFL]

Love and forgiveness are fine, but they're no substitute for a serious ass-kicking.

I'm stealing that.  In the future I would like every who quotes that to credit it to me. 

Thanks.

[John Dibble]

Love and forgiveness are fine, but they're no substitute for a serious ass-kicking.

I'm stealing that.  In the future I would like every who quotes that to credit it to me. 

Thanks.

Word of advice when stealing from Libertarians:

Beware of gun.

[Gabu]

I may be one of the few people who does not base their political views on Jesus's.

Yes, we're a dying breed, it seems.

Pretty common in most 1st world countries.

Yeah, I never vote on my religious beliefs. It just infuriates me when others misinterpret the teachings of Jesus and use them for justification of their political agendas

It personally annoys me when someone justifies their political stances using nothing but a 2000-year-old book, regardless of whether or not I agree with those stances.  It makes discussion and rational debate and discourse absolutely impossible.

[ATFFL]

Love and forgiveness are fine, but they're no substitute for a serious ass-kicking.

I'm stealing that.  In the future I would like every who quotes that to credit it to me. 

Thanks.

Word of advice when stealing from Libertarians:

Beware of gun.

You call that a gun?  Never bring a pistol to a rifle fight.

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Welcome back Nomorelies. We missed you around here.

[John Dibble]

Love and forgiveness are fine, but they're no substitute for a serious ass-kicking.

I'm stealing that.  In the future I would like every who quotes that to credit it to me. 

Thanks.

Word of advice when stealing from Libertarians:

Beware of gun.

You call that a gun?  Never bring a pistol to a rifle fight.

A bullet to the head will almost always kill you regardless of what kind of gun it comes from.

[Gabu]

A bullet to the head will almost always kill you regardless of what kind of gun it comes from.

Tell that to this guy:

[John Dibble]

A bullet to the head will almost always kill you regardless of what kind of gun it comes from.

Tell that to this guy:

I'm operating under the assumption that Tredick is human, not a movie character.

[J.R. Brown]

Jesus taught love and forgiveness, not hate and revenge for sins against God. If you look at the OT (Old Testament), a lot of what they were teaching was vengence for sins against God. Jesus was sent to, not only take the sins of man away, but to instill the values of love and forgiveness.

Yes, and we can see how well love and forgiveness worked against the Nazis at Auschwitz, the Japanese in Nanking and the Chinese in Tibet.  Love and forgiveness are fine, but they're no substitute for a serious ass-kicking.

That's so true. Basically this debate always goes nowhere. You can't compare spiritual life to life on Earth. It's too difficult for non-believers to understand. I loathe debating religion.

[Bugs]

Returning to the original question, there is a verse in Genesis chapter 9, I'm not sure of the verse, that says in no uncertain terms that if a man takes another man's life, other men are to take his life.  Jesus didn't condemn the death penalty, even for the woman caught in adultry (John chapter .  He wanted the accusers to acknowledge their own shortcomings rather than condemn someone else.  He'd have been the same way with a murderer. 

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Returning to the original question, there is a verse in Genesis chapter 9, I'm not sure of the verse, that says in no uncertain terms that if a man takes another man's life, other men are to take his life.  Jesus didn't condemn the death penalty, even for the woman caught in adultry (John chapter 8 ).  He wanted the accusers to acknowledge their own shortcomings rather than condemn someone else.  He'd have been the same way with a murderer. 

True, but he wasn't against any sort of earthy justice system.