On people who leak classified information

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"A minor correction"

Look at Jfraud spin his wheels

Agreed.

Sad how you guys would rather mindlessly bash me than pay attention to the news that I'm conveying. We weren't sure exactly what had happened until Cooper had published this article, so some minor details had been corrected. On the other hand, Rove has massively changed his story and talking points about the scandal. If you guys weren't such blind partisans you'd realize that the 2nd one is the story, and not the first one.

Actually, we are doing less "bashing" than you are, as well as less spin.  Rove has said from the beginning he didn't know her name nor out her as a covert agent.  However, you constantly state otherwise, even when your own sources contradict you.  The only blind partisan has been you (and the talking heads in the press).  Not a bash . . . just constructive criticism.

Rove lied. What part of that don't you understand? He claimed that he found out that Wilson's wife was CIA from reading the Novak article.

No, he said he learned her name from the article.

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Are none of you Republicans upset by the fact that they outted the Wilson's wife in retaliation for the fact that he discovered that some of the intelligence that the Bush adminstration fixed to sell this stupid war was fixed?

Again, you are making an assumption.  Wait until the investigation is over and the data of the investigation is released to the public.

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"A minor correction"

Look at Jfraud spin his wheels

Agreed.

Sad how you guys would rather mindlessly bash me than pay attention to the news that I'm conveying. We weren't sure exactly what had happened until Cooper had published this article, so some minor details had been corrected. On the other hand, Rove has massively changed his story and talking points about the scandal. If you guys weren't such blind partisans you'd realize that the 2nd one is the story, and not the first one.

Actually, we are doing less "bashing" than you are, as well as less spin.  Rove has said from the beginning he didn't know her name nor out her as a covert agent.  However, you constantly state otherwise, even when your own sources contradict you.  The only blind partisan has been you (and the talking heads in the press).  Not a bash . . . just constructive criticism.

Rove lied. What part of that don't you understand? He claimed that he found out that Wilson's wife was CIA from reading the Novak article.

No, he said he learned her name from the article.

There are so many different versions of what Rove said, it's hard to keep them straight. The fact is that the right-wing spin has drastically changed. It used to be that Karl Rove was not involved at all in outing Valerie Plame. Now they're trying to argue that all he did was refer to her as Wilson's wife, and stuff like that is irrelevant, but maybe spins good.

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Are none of you Republicans upset by the fact that they outted the Wilson's wife in retaliation for the fact that he discovered that some of the intelligence that the Bush adminstration fixed to sell this stupid war was fixed?

Again, you are making an assumption.  Wait until the investigation is over and the data of the investigation is released to the public.

It's obvious. It was only a couple of days after Wilson's report.

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Are none of you Republicans upset by the fact that they outted the Wilson's wife in retaliation for the fact that he discovered that some of the intelligence that the Bush adminstration fixed to sell this stupid war was fixed?

Again, you are making an assumption.  Wait until the investigation is over and the data of the investigation is released to the public.

It's obvious. It was only a couple of days after Wilson's report.

The only thing that is obvious is you are blinded by partisan hatred and not willing to look at the whole picture, let alone all the facts.

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There are so many different versions of what Rove said, it's hard to keep them straight. The fact is that the right-wing spin has drastically changed. It used to be that Karl Rove was not involved at all in outing Valerie Plame. Now they're trying to argue that all he did was refer to her as Wilson's wife, and stuff like that is irrelevant, but maybe spins good.

hahaha . . . no, Coopers e-mails say that he referred to her as his wife.  You can't even keep your bs straight.  *laughs*

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There are so many different versions of what Rove said, it's hard to keep them straight. The fact is that the right-wing spin has drastically changed. It used to be that Karl Rove was not involved at all in outing Valerie Plame. Now they're trying to argue that all he did was refer to her as Wilson's wife, and stuff like that is irrelevant, but maybe spins good.

hahaha . . . no, Coopers e-mails say that he referred to her as his wife.  You can't even keep your bs straight.  *laughs*

I know exactly what Cooper's e-mail says. It's keeping the Republican talking points straight that is difficult. Anyways, saying Joe Wilson's wife instead of Valerie Plame doesn't make a difference in whether she got outted. It was still classified information, and Rove was bound by a non-disclosure agreement.

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You people that are aruging with me are in a small minority (25%).

Yes, the graph isn't to scale, deal with it.

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I know exactly what Cooper's e-mail says. It's keeping the Republican talking points straight that is difficult. Anyways, saying Joe Wilson's wife instead of Valerie Plame doesn't make a difference in whether she got outted. It was still classified information, and Rove was bound by a non-disclosure agreement.

Again, under the assumption that he knew she was covert.  Indicating someone to be working for the CIA is not a violation of the governmental non-disclosure agreement when the actual status isn't know.  This goes back to intent, and nothing has been shown there was intent to out her as a covert agent.

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I know exactly what Cooper's e-mail says. It's keeping the Republican talking points straight that is difficult. Anyways, saying Joe Wilson's wife instead of Valerie Plame doesn't make a difference in whether she got outted. It was still classified information, and Rove was bound by a non-disclosure agreement.

Again, under the assumption that he knew she was covert.  Indicating someone to be working for the CIA is not a violation of the governmental non-disclosure agreement when the actual status isn't know.  This goes back to intent, and nothing has been shown there was intent to out her as a covert agent.

That she was covert was classified information that should have been closely regulated. This is sounding like a weird conspiracy theory, that someone leaked it to Rove, but didn't tell him that she was covert.  This sounds like some desperate spin to try to save Rove's ass.

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That she was covert was classified information that should have been closely regulated. This is sounding like a weird conspiracy theory, that someone leaked it to Rove, but didn't tell him that she was covert.  This sounds like some desperate spin to try to save Rove's ass.

It should have, yes.  However, covers do become blow quite often just by chance.  The fact that a reporter was able to identify her as a CIA employee is more than enough to cause a cover to be blown.  The fact that she was married to an ambassador didn't help her cover any.  Trying to create a consipiracy is more of a smear campaign than anything.

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That she was covert was classified information that should have been closely regulated. This is sounding like a weird conspiracy theory, that someone leaked it to Rove, but didn't tell him that she was covert.  This sounds like some desperate spin to try to save Rove's ass.

It should have, yes.  However, covers do become blow quite often just by chance.  The fact that a reporter was able to identify her as a CIA employee is more than enough to cause a cover to be blown.  The fact that she was married to an ambassador didn't help her cover any.  Trying to create a consipiracy is more of a smear campaign than anything.

Just by chance? Someone had to know.

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That she was covert was classified information that should have been closely regulated. This is sounding like a weird conspiracy theory, that someone leaked it to Rove, but didn't tell him that she was covert.  This sounds like some desperate spin to try to save Rove's ass.

It should have, yes.  However, covers do become blow quite often just by chance.  The fact that a reporter was able to identify her as a CIA employee is more than enough to cause a cover to be blown.  The fact that she was married to an ambassador didn't help her cover any.  Trying to create a consipiracy is more of a smear campaign than anything.

Just by chance? Someone had to know.

Not at all.  Accidentally blown covers happen.  It's just part of the business.

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That she was covert was classified information that should have been closely regulated. This is sounding like a weird conspiracy theory, that someone leaked it to Rove, but didn't tell him that she was covert.  This sounds like some desperate spin to try to save Rove's ass.

It should have, yes.  However, covers do become blow quite often just by chance.  The fact that a reporter was able to identify her as a CIA employee is more than enough to cause a cover to be blown.  The fact that she was married to an ambassador didn't help her cover any.  Trying to create a consipiracy is more of a smear campaign than anything.

Just by chance? Someone had to know.

Not at all.  Accidentally blown covers happen.  It's just part of the business.

Still illegal if it's an accident, and somehow I don't think Karl Rove accidentily blew it.  It really sounds like you're trying to put this in the most favorable possible light for Rove, and ignoring that Rove and Bush have made contradictory statements on the matter. Fortuntitely, your group is only 25% of America.

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Still illegal if it's an accident, and somehow I don't think Karl Rove accidentily blew it.  It really sounds like you're trying to put this in the most favorable possible light for Rove, and ignoring that Rove and Bush have made contradictory statements on the matter. Fortuntitely, your group is only 25% of America.

No, it's not illegal.  Read the act.  Outing a covert operative has to be intentional.

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Still illegal if it's an accident, and somehow I don't think Karl Rove accidentily blew it.  It really sounds like you're trying to put this in the most favorable possible light for Rove, and ignoring that Rove and Bush have made contradictory statements on the matter. Fortuntitely, your group is only 25% of America.

No, it's not illegal.  Read the act.  Outing a covert operative has to be intentional.

The old talking points were that Rove wasn't involved. What happened to those? There wouldn't be so many contradictory statements if they didn't have something to hide.

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The old talking points were that Rove wasn't involved. What happened to those? There wouldn't be so many contradictory statements if they didn't have something to hide.

Or, people were talking without knowing the facts.  Wow . . . now that's a novelty.  Most of the contradictory states came from those that were not Rove himself during the initial stage of the accusations.  Imagine that.  All you have to do is follow what Rove himself has said.  Everything else is noise.

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Here's what Novak had to say.

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http://foi.missouri.edu/voicesdissent/columnistnames.html

The WH:

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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-CIA-Leak-Investigation.html?ei=5094&en=2f91db63e27c6efe&hp=&ex=1121659200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print


Ooops.

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You see why we call him JFRAUD.

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Here's what Novak had to say.

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http://foi.missouri.edu/voicesdissent/columnistnames.html

The WH:

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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-CIA-Leak-Investigation.html?ei=5094&en=2f91db63e27c6efe&hp=&ex=1121659200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

Ooops.

Now, where are the Rove quotes?

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You see why we call him JFRAUD.

Yeah, I am a fraud, I don't agree with 25% of Americans.