Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) in critical condition, 6 others killed in Arizona

[Phony Moderate]

im getting popcorn brb

And Pepsi.

[Lief 🗽]

Apparently the federal judge who was also assassinated had received numerous death threats due to his stance on immigration.

[opebo]

Opebo: Not currently, but, it is like a scale. One day, it will tip on the other side, and the left-wing nuts will be dangerous.

You're dreaming.  Revolution would be great, but it won't be happening in our lifetimes.

[Landslide Lyndon]

http://judgepedia.org/index.php/John_Roll

...

Judge Roll in 2009, faced death threats after presiding over a $32 million civil-rights lawsuit. The lawsuit was filed by illegal immigrants against an Arizona rancher. After Judge Roll ruled the case would be certified, threats came from talk-radio shows which fueled controversy and spurred audiences into making threats against the judge.

The threats materialized after one show, Judge Roll's name logged more than 200 phone calls as some callers threatened the judge and his family.

This resulted in the judge and his wife were under a protection detail for one month as Judge Roll was given twenty four hours a day, seven days a week security by the US Marshals Service. An US Attorney's investigation ruled that four men were identified as threat makers, but no charges were filed.

In a July 9, 2009 interview with the Arizona Republic, Judge Roll described the time under high security as "unnerving and invasive. . . . By its nature it has to be," Roll said. Roll also said, "It (the security) was handled very professionally by the Marshals Service."

At the end of the month, Roll said four key men had been identified as threat makers.

[Phony Moderate]

Apparently the federal judge who was also assassinated had received numerous death threats due to his stance on immigration.

What was his stance?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Jan Brewer just got choked up while speaking about the tragedy. It's always good to see politicians act human.

Crocodile tears from a Republican. It's the new craze. See our new speaker of the house.

Oh, to you especially: go away. We don't need any more trolls in this thread. So go.

Your side has amped up the rhetoric to this point.
Remember good old Mama Grizzly's "hit list"?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/sharron_angle_floated_possibil.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iQ7ZDUutU4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSyZt1v128w

For God's sake, how can anyone deny that this is what they've been telling people? They may not have wanted people to be killed, but it's just idiotic and careless and backwards to talk like this and not expect repercussions.

^^^^

Some people here are trying to make as if it was some random person being shot by some random psychopath without any context. You can persevere in you denial as you want, if it helps you feeling like everything is all right in this country.

[Alcon]

I doubt we're ever going to know a particularly coherent motivation for someone who, judging by his YouTube, is probably a paranoid schizophrenic.

[Sam Spade]

I doubt we're ever going to know a particularly coherent motivation for someone who, judging by his YouTube, is probably a paranoid schizophrenic.

Yes, but that won't stop certain people from trying.

[MaxQue]

Opebo: Not currently, but, it is like a scale. One day, it will tip on the other side, and the left-wing nuts will be dangerous.

You're dreaming.  Revolution would be great, but it won't be happening in our lifetimes.

Not revolution, but a situation where popular anger is canalized and used by the left, and not the right, like currently.

[Thomas D]

From Rachel Maddoow's twitter page:

"There is nothing to be gained from speculating on the motives and affiliations of AZ shooter w/o facts."

Agreed.

[Phony Moderate]

I doubt we're ever going to know a particularly coherent motivation for someone who, judging by his YouTube, is probably a paranoid schizophrenic.

His only favorited video is being flooded with comments, ftr.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Opebo: Not currently, but, it is like a scale. One day, it will tip on the other side, and the left-wing nuts will be dangerous.

You're dreaming.  Revolution would be great, but it won't be happening in our lifetimes.

Not revolution, but a situation where popular anger is canalized and used by the left, and not the right, like currently.

Such a thing has never happened in the entire American history. What makes you think it could ?

[patrick1]

I doubt we're ever going to know a particularly coherent motivation for someone who, judging by his YouTube, is probably a paranoid schizophrenic.

Exactly.  I initially thought there would likely be a political motivation to this, but the evidence in those youtube vids does not support it.  This fits classic schizophrenia- he had a lot of friends and then the disease hit and he dropped out and became a recluse. Given his age this matches up with the usual age of onset.

It is really tragic that beyond politics (which doesnt even seem a primary factor) a little nine year old girl and many others were killed and horribly wounded.

[LBJ Revivalist]

I doubt we're ever going to know a particularly coherent motivation for someone who, judging by his YouTube, is probably a paranoid schizophrenic.

Well actually his motivation is pretty obvious, but it seems a little pointless given that they already got control of the House.

STOP IT. STOP IT. STOP IT, YOU IGNORANT, PEDOPHILIAC CHICKENHAWK.

If it was a GOP Congressmen, your side would be running with it saying it was proof of the danger of the "Progressive Radicals" that Glenn, Limbaugh, Palin and others always screech about, and you know it.

[Phony Moderate]

I doubt we're ever going to know a particularly coherent motivation for someone who, judging by his YouTube, is probably a paranoid schizophrenic.

Well actually his motivation is pretty obvious, but it seems a little pointless given that they already got control of the House.

STOP IT. STOP IT. STOP IT, YOU IGNORANT, PEDOPHILIAC CHICKENHAWK.

If it was a GOP Senator, your side would be running with it saying it was proof of the danger of the "Progressive Radicals" that Glenn, Limbaugh, Palin and others always screech about, and you know it.

Looks like Svensson got scared of possible infraction points and deleted his post

Or maybe someone deleted it for him.

[Lunar]

I doubt we're ever going to know a particularly coherent motivation for someone who, judging by his YouTube, is probably a paranoid schizophrenic.

Well actually his motivation is pretty obvious, but it seems a little pointless given that they already got control of the House.

STOP IT. STOP IT. STOP IT, YOU IGNORANT, PEDOPHILIAC CHICKENHAWK.

If it was a GOP Senator, your side would be running with it saying it was proof of the danger of the "Progressive Radicals" that Glenn, Limbaugh, Palin and others always screech about, and you know it.

Looks like Svensson got scared of possible infraction points and deleted his post

Yeah...that's totally what happened *cough*

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

AP reports outlook is "optymistic" and she is esponding to commands from doctors.

Incredible.

[ilikeverin]

The child who died was 9 years old.

Giffords's wound was a through-and-through on "one side of the brain".  If the previous report that she was capable of speaking is true, it's quite likely that means the wound was in her right hemisphere.

Shot "one time in the head through and through" does not necessarily mean the bullet hit her brain.  The head contains more than the brain.  

The good news is that doctors are optimistic about the Congresswoman's recovery.  The bad news is that others still died.

Would they've brought neurologists in and had them operate if it was just a shot to the jaw?

EDIT: Hmm, check this out.  Right temporal and frontal lobes, if anywhere... not bad, all things considered.

[Lunar]

I've issued 44 infraction points so far in this thread.  Please keep it cool.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I've issued 44 infraction points so far in this thread.  Please keep it cool.

Wow...

Is that Atlas record.

[anvi]

Yeah, that kind of wound suggests the bullet only went through parts of the cortex, and as long as the surgeons could control the bleeding, chances for survival are good.  The fact that she was responding to commands also suggests that her hearing and at least good portions of the motor cortex still function.  How much of her cognitive skills and decision-making capacities may be diminished depends on which tissues were damaged and remains to be seen. 

[Redalgo]

It is a shock to see that this has happened. Best wishes to the victims of this tragedy and those most profoundly impacted by the developing situation.

[Silent Hunter]

My thoughts and prayers are with all those caught up in this.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Yeah, that kind of wound suggests the bullet only went through parts of the cortex, and as long as the surgeons could control the bleeding, chances for survival are good.  The fact that she was responding to commands also suggests that her hearing and at least good portions of the motor cortex still function.  How much of her cognitive skills and decision-making capacities may be diminished depends on which tissues were damaged and remains to be seen. 

Are you a doctor?
Not to sound callous but it sounds like she will be out of politics for a long time.

[patrick1]

I'm going to assume that if the alleged shooters youtube is correct, he got a nice 4F at the MEPS.