COVID-19 Megathread 4: Grandma Got Run Over by the Dow Jones

[brucejoel99]

Surprised this hasn't been talked about yet in the thread, but Walmart an Target are rolling out new social distancing measures tomorrow limiting stores to 20% capacity.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1246277075100749824

Good, the grocery store seems to be the one place you can't avoid people who don't have a mask & blatantly disregard social distancing protocols.

[darklordoftech]

Is Uber still in operation for those who need to grocery shop or get to doctors’ appointments?

[Del Tachi]

Surprised this hasn't been talked about yet in the thread, but Walmart an Target are rolling out new social distancing measures tomorrow limiting stores to 20% capacity.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1246277075100749824

Good, the grocery store seems to be the one place you can't avoid people who don't have a mask & blatantly disregard social distancing protocols.

No.  Bad.  Very, very bad.  This will just lead to more panic buying, which means more people will turn up to shop, which will now translate into long lines outside grocery stores (4 hrs wait for milk and eggs?), which means even *more panic buying.

This is the truly apocalyptic, society-ending stuff.  Not having to share a ventilator.

[brucejoel99]

Surprised this hasn't been talked about yet in the thread, but Walmart an Target are rolling out new social distancing measures tomorrow limiting stores to 20% capacity.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1246277075100749824

Good, the grocery store seems to be the one place you can't avoid people who don't have a mask & blatantly disregard social distancing protocols.

No.  Bad.  Very, very bad.  This will just lead to more panic buying, which means more people will turn up to shop, which will now translate into long lines outside grocery stores (4 hrs wait for milk and eggs?), which means even *more panic buying.

This is the truly apocalyptic, society-ending stuff.  Not having to share a ventilator.

The hoarding days have already passed (at least in my area). People have realized that they can still get stuff from (essential) stores even when under lockdown, so the hoarding seems to have stopped pretty quickly, evidenced by their thinking sensibly rather than panic buying.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Surprised this hasn't been talked about yet in the thread, but Walmart an Target are rolling out new social distancing measures tomorrow limiting stores to 20% capacity.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1246277075100749824

Good, the grocery store seems to be the one place you can't avoid people who don't have a mask & blatantly disregard social distancing protocols.

No.  Bad.  Very, very bad.  This will just lead to more panic buying, which means more people will turn up to shop, which will now translate into long lines outside grocery stores (4 hrs wait for milk and eggs?), which means even *more panic buying.

This is the truly apocalyptic, society-ending stuff.  Not having to share a ventilator.

Get a grip.

[Del Tachi]

Surprised this hasn't been talked about yet in the thread, but Walmart an Target are rolling out new social distancing measures tomorrow limiting stores to 20% capacity.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1246277075100749824

Good, the grocery store seems to be the one place you can't avoid people who don't have a mask & blatantly disregard social distancing protocols.

No.  Bad.  Very, very bad.  This will just lead to more panic buying, which means more people will turn up to shop, which will now translate into long lines outside grocery stores (4 hrs wait for milk and eggs?), which means even *more panic buying.

This is the truly apocalyptic, society-ending stuff.  Not having to share a ventilator.

The hoarding days have already pass (at least in my area). People have realized that they can still get stuff from (essential) stores even when under lockdown, so the hoarding seems to have stopped pretty quickly, evidenced by their thinking sensibly rather than panic buying.

Yes, people have stopped hoarding (mostly, some staple items seem perpetually low) but that's only because they've seen stores stay open and their access hasn't been an issue.  As soon as people have to start waiting in actual breadlines that sense of security will be completely erased.

[It’s so Joever]

Surprised this hasn't been talked about yet in the thread, but Walmart an Target are rolling out new social distancing measures tomorrow limiting stores to 20% capacity.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1246277075100749824

Good, the grocery store seems to be the one place you can't avoid people who don't have a mask & blatantly disregard social distancing protocols.

No.  Bad.  Very, very bad.  This will just lead to more panic buying, which means more people will turn up to shop, which will now translate into long lines outside grocery stores (4 hrs wait for milk and eggs?), which means even *more panic buying.

This is the truly apocalyptic, society-ending stuff. Not having to share a ventilator.

Are you trolling? “Sharing a ventilator” can mean multiple tickets to death, especially when the patients are in critical condition. It’s only being done now because of the shortages. Sharing a ventilator means that both patients have to be in a similar condition continuously. It can be done, but not in the long term. Having to wait to buy toilet paper is now worse than suffocating to death because you couldn’t get a ventilator to support your own lungs? Okay.

[brucejoel99]

Surprised this hasn't been talked about yet in the thread, but Walmart an Target are rolling out new social distancing measures tomorrow limiting stores to 20% capacity.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1246277075100749824

Good, the grocery store seems to be the one place you can't avoid people who don't have a mask & blatantly disregard social distancing protocols.

No.  Bad.  Very, very bad.  This will just lead to more panic buying, which means more people will turn up to shop, which will now translate into long lines outside grocery stores (4 hrs wait for milk and eggs?), which means even *more panic buying.

This is the truly apocalyptic, society-ending stuff.  Not having to share a ventilator.

The hoarding days have already pass (at least in my area). People have realized that they can still get stuff from (essential) stores even when under lockdown, so the hoarding seems to have stopped pretty quickly, evidenced by their thinking sensibly rather than panic buying.

Yes, people have stopped hoarding (mostly, some staple items seem perpetually low) but that's only because they've seen stores stay open and their access hasn't been an issue.  As soon as people have to start waiting in actual breadlines that sense of security will be completely erased.

This (especially with the qualifier "actual") doesn't mean what you think it means.

Pull yourself together. This isn't even bad, let alone anywhere nearly as much as you claim it is.

[Dr. Arch]

Surprised this hasn't been talked about yet in the thread, but Walmart an Target are rolling out new social distancing measures tomorrow limiting stores to 20% capacity.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1246277075100749824

Good, the grocery store seems to be the one place you can't avoid people who don't have a mask & blatantly disregard social distancing protocols.

No.  Bad.  Very, very bad.  This will just lead to more panic buying, which means more people will turn up to shop, which will now translate into long lines outside grocery stores (4 hrs wait for milk and eggs?), which means even *more panic buying.

This is the truly apocalyptic, society-ending stuff.  Not having to share a ventilator.

The hoarding days have already pass (at least in my area). People have realized that they can still get stuff from (essential) stores even when under lockdown, so the hoarding seems to have stopped pretty quickly, evidenced by their thinking sensibly rather than panic buying.

Yes, people have stopped hoarding (mostly, some staple items seem perpetually low) but that's only because they've seen stores stay open and their access hasn't been an issue.  As soon as people have to start waiting in actual breadlines that sense of security will be completely erased.

Do you have any data/evidence to back those assertions or are they more of those famed speculations (AKA "Hunches")?

[brucejoel99]

Surprised this hasn't been talked about yet in the thread, but Walmart an Target are rolling out new social distancing measures tomorrow limiting stores to 20% capacity.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1246277075100749824

Good, the grocery store seems to be the one place you can't avoid people who don't have a mask & blatantly disregard social distancing protocols.

No.  Bad.  Very, very bad.  This will just lead to more panic buying, which means more people will turn up to shop, which will now translate into long lines outside grocery stores (4 hrs wait for milk and eggs?), which means even *more panic buying.

This is the truly apocalyptic, society-ending stuff.  Not having to share a ventilator.

The hoarding days have already pass (at least in my area). People have realized that they can still get stuff from (essential) stores even when under lockdown, so the hoarding seems to have stopped pretty quickly, evidenced by their thinking sensibly rather than panic buying.

Yes, people have stopped hoarding (mostly, some staple items seem perpetually low) but that's only because they've seen stores stay open and their access hasn't been an issue.  As soon as people have to start waiting in actual breadlines that sense of security will be completely erased.

Do you have any data/evidence to back those assertions or are they more of those famed speculations (AKA "Hunches")?

"Tremendous hunches. The best hunches."

[Del Tachi]

Surprised this hasn't been talked about yet in the thread, but Walmart an Target are rolling out new social distancing measures tomorrow limiting stores to 20% capacity.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1246277075100749824

Good, the grocery store seems to be the one place you can't avoid people who don't have a mask & blatantly disregard social distancing protocols.

No.  Bad.  Very, very bad.  This will just lead to more panic buying, which means more people will turn up to shop, which will now translate into long lines outside grocery stores (4 hrs wait for milk and eggs?), which means even *more panic buying.

This is the truly apocalyptic, society-ending stuff. Not having to share a ventilator.

Are you trolling? “Sharing a ventilator” can mean multiple tickets to death, especially when the patients are in critical condition. It’s only being done now because of the shortages. Sharing a ventilator means that both patients have to be in a similar condition continuously. It can be done, but not in the long term. Having to wait to buy toilet paper is now worse than suffocating to death because you couldn’t get a ventilator to support your own lungs? Okay.

People will die, that's inevitable and is already happening.  People panicking and food distribution chains getting disrupted?  That's a way more serious and escalatable situation that's more complex for the government to correct.

Like I said, you can always find a way to be more aggressive in social distancing.  But at a certain point the marginal costs do start overwhelming any additional benefit.  Is there really going to be a noticeable epidemiological benefit to limiting stores to 20% capacity (at this point no less, after several weeks of sustained community transmission) compared to the current recommendations?

[Del Tachi]

Surprised this hasn't been talked about yet in the thread, but Walmart an Target are rolling out new social distancing measures tomorrow limiting stores to 20% capacity.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1246277075100749824

Good, the grocery store seems to be the one place you can't avoid people who don't have a mask & blatantly disregard social distancing protocols.

No.  Bad.  Very, very bad.  This will just lead to more panic buying, which means more people will turn up to shop, which will now translate into long lines outside grocery stores (4 hrs wait for milk and eggs?), which means even *more panic buying.

This is the truly apocalyptic, society-ending stuff.  Not having to share a ventilator.

The hoarding days have already pass (at least in my area). People have realized that they can still get stuff from (essential) stores even when under lockdown, so the hoarding seems to have stopped pretty quickly, evidenced by their thinking sensibly rather than panic buying.

Yes, people have stopped hoarding (mostly, some staple items seem perpetually low) but that's only because they've seen stores stay open and their access hasn't been an issue.  As soon as people have to start waiting in actual breadlines that sense of security will be completely erased.

Do you have any data/evidence to back those assertions or are they more of those famed speculations (AKA "Hunches")?

I don't guess you've ever lived through a hurricane or other large, natural disaster where supply and distribution chains are actually disrupted and looting/violence become problematic.  Living through Hurricane Katrina hasn't afforded me the same opportunity.

[Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it.]

Maybe they should throw in free anxiety medicine, a lot of you need that on here.

[Meclazine for Israel]

France just added 18,000 new cases to their total, which is now completely throwing off the daily numbers.

The only thing I could find is that they added 'Nursing Home' data.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-04/coronavirus-updates-new-york-reports-deadliest-day/12120784#France

I am going to back-add them across the last week to mimic what they would actually look like over time. Same total, slightly more accurate results in reality. 5 point averaging if you will.

Have had the same issue with recoveries all being added on one day of the week.

[Associate Justice PiT]

France just added 18,000 new cases to their total, which is now completely throwing off the daily numbers.

The only thing I could find is that they added 'Nursing Home' data.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-04/coronavirus-updates-new-york-reports-deadliest-day/12120784#France

I am going to back-add them across the last week to mimic what they would actually look like over time. Same total, slightly more accurate results in reality.

Have had the same issue with recoveries all being added on one day of the week.

     I would think they would be more focused on attributing results to accurate dates and times since they should be performing statistical analyses themselves, though they may be tracking that information internally.

[Dr. Arch]

Surprised this hasn't been talked about yet in the thread, but Walmart an Target are rolling out new social distancing measures tomorrow limiting stores to 20% capacity.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1246277075100749824

Good, the grocery store seems to be the one place you can't avoid people who don't have a mask & blatantly disregard social distancing protocols.

No.  Bad.  Very, very bad.  This will just lead to more panic buying, which means more people will turn up to shop, which will now translate into long lines outside grocery stores (4 hrs wait for milk and eggs?), which means even *more panic buying.

This is the truly apocalyptic, society-ending stuff.  Not having to share a ventilator.

The hoarding days have already pass (at least in my area). People have realized that they can still get stuff from (essential) stores even when under lockdown, so the hoarding seems to have stopped pretty quickly, evidenced by their thinking sensibly rather than panic buying.

Yes, people have stopped hoarding (mostly, some staple items seem perpetually low) but that's only because they've seen stores stay open and their access hasn't been an issue.  As soon as people have to start waiting in actual breadlines that sense of security will be completely erased.

Do you have any data/evidence to back those assertions or are they more of those famed speculations (AKA "Hunches")?

I don't guess you've ever lived through a hurricane or other large, natural disaster where supply and distribution chains are actually disrupted and looting/violence become problematic.  Living through Hurricane Katrina hasn't afforded me the same opportunity.

Nah, living in Puerto Rico almost all of my life absolutely did not expose me to hurricanes and/or other disasters where the supply chain is disrupted. 🤣

[Meclazine for Israel]

France just added 18,000 new cases to their total, which is now completely throwing off the daily numbers.

The only thing I could find is that they added 'Nursing Home' data.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-04/coronavirus-updates-new-york-reports-deadliest-day/12120784#France

I am going to back-add them across the last week to mimic what they would actually look like over time. Same total, slightly more accurate results in reality.

Have had the same issue with recoveries all being added on one day of the week.

     I would think they would be more focused on attributing results to accurate dates and times since they should be performing statistical analyses themselves, though they may be tracking that information internally.

I will wait until tomorrow to see what the French release next for new case numbers.

But releasing data all on one day after waiting a week means that the cases are not being added at the right rate. Same thing happens with recoveries.

I am happy to back-add them once I see the overall pattern. Given the nature of viral infection, it's highly improbable they all got sick on the same day.

[Associate Justice PiT]

France just added 18,000 new cases to their total, which is now completely throwing off the daily numbers.

The only thing I could find is that they added 'Nursing Home' data.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-04/coronavirus-updates-new-york-reports-deadliest-day/12120784#France

I am going to back-add them across the last week to mimic what they would actually look like over time. Same total, slightly more accurate results in reality.

Have had the same issue with recoveries all being added on one day of the week.

     I would think they would be more focused on attributing results to accurate dates and times since they should be performing statistical analyses themselves, though they may be tracking that information internally.

I will wait until tomorrow to see what the French release next for new case numbers.

But releasing data all on one day after waiting a week means that the cases are not being added at the right rate. Same thing happens with recoveries.

I am happy to back-add them once I see the overall pattern. Given the nature of viral infection, it's highly improbable they all got sick on the same day.

     Yes, I am certain they did not. Do you think it is feasible that the French government is tracking the accurate reporting curve internally? I work with SQL databases, and that sort of thing would be easy to manage in such a system.

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

Panic buying is already a *major, major problem (and so far is actually a bigger problem than anything we've seen on the healthcare side).

Sometimes I read these things and wonder.

A temporary shortage of toilet paper or eggs is a bigger problem than people dying?

Hmmm.

I guess when it really comes down to it, when the going gets tough, and when push comes to shove, when you turn 100 years old and look back on your life, what really maters in end is not actually friends and family, but whether you always had enough toilet paper and whether you had to go even a single week without a carton of eggs.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Panic buying is already a *major, major problem (and so far is actually a bigger problem than anything we've seen on the healthcare side).

Sometimes I read these things and wonder.

A temporary shortage of toilet paper or eggs is a bigger problem than people dying?

Hmmm.

I guess when it really comes down to it, when the going gets tough, and when push comes to shove, when you turn 100 years old and look back on your life, what really maters in end is not actually friends and family, but whether you always had enough toilet paper and whether you had to go even a single week without a carton of eggs.

     It's not just toilet paper and eggs, though. People are also panic buying surgical masks and rubbing alcohol. Things that are useful to help protect oneself from COVID. I have had to go grocery shopping without a mask more than once since the lockdown began because I simply did not have any on hand, and I am quite aware that I put myself (and consequently my elderly mother) at risk by doing so.

     As for the healthcare side, I am guessing that Del Tachi is referring to the strain on hospitals and not the actual immediate fact of people dying. I could be mistaken, however.

[Del Tachi]

Panic buying is already a *major, major problem (and so far is actually a bigger problem than anything we've seen on the healthcare side).

Sometimes I read these things and wonder.

A temporary shortage of toilet paper or eggs is a bigger problem than people dying?

Hmmm.

I guess when it really comes down to it, when the going gets tough, and when push comes to shove, when you turn 100 years old and look back on your life, what really maters in end is not actually friends and family, but whether you always had enough toilet paper and whether you had to go even a single week without a carton of eggs.

Panic buying is a huge problem insomuch as people are *panicked and thus become more likely to do stupid things, and supply/distribution chains are already under extreme stress due to disrupted production, reduced transit, fallen commodity prices, and close to 10 million newly unemployed in the U.S. alone.

I'm not worried about a "temporary shortage of toilet paper or eggs".  I've been dealing with that for weeks.  I'm worried about the reaction masses of people will have to decreased access to grocery stores and supermarkets, and how that reaction could escalate beyond the so-far relatively stable social conditions we've been seeing.  If you can't understand the difference then that's on you.

[brucejoel99]

Surprised this hasn't been talked about yet in the thread, but Walmart an Target are rolling out new social distancing measures tomorrow limiting stores to 20% capacity.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1246277075100749824

Good, the grocery store seems to be the one place you can't avoid people who don't have a mask & blatantly disregard social distancing protocols.

No.  Bad.  Very, very bad.  This will just lead to more panic buying, which means more people will turn up to shop, which will now translate into long lines outside grocery stores (4 hrs wait for milk and eggs?), which means even *more panic buying.

This is the truly apocalyptic, society-ending stuff.  Not having to share a ventilator.

The hoarding days have already pass (at least in my area). People have realized that they can still get stuff from (essential) stores even when under lockdown, so the hoarding seems to have stopped pretty quickly, evidenced by their thinking sensibly rather than panic buying.

Yes, people have stopped hoarding (mostly, some staple items seem perpetually low) but that's only because they've seen stores stay open and their access hasn't been an issue.  As soon as people have to start waiting in actual breadlines that sense of security will be completely erased.

Do you have any data/evidence to back those assertions or are they more of those famed speculations (AKA "Hunches")?

I don't guess you've ever lived through a hurricane or other large, natural disaster where supply and distribution chains are actually disrupted and looting/violence become problematic.  Living through Hurricane Katrina hasn't afforded me the same opportunity.

Good thing that's no longer what's happening here, then.

Panic buying is already a *major, major problem (and so far is actually a bigger problem than anything we've seen on the healthcare side).

Sometimes I read these things and wonder.

A temporary shortage of toilet paper or eggs is a bigger problem than people dying?

Hmmm.

I guess when it really comes down to it, when the going gets tough, and when push comes to shove, when you turn 100 years old and look back on your life, what really maters in end is not actually friends and family, but whether you always had enough toilet paper and whether you had to go even a single week without a carton of eggs.

Panic buying is a huge problem insomuch as people are *panicked and thus become more likely to do stupid things, and supply/distribution chains are already under extreme stress due to disrupted production, reduced transit, fallen commodity prices, and close to 10 million newly unemployed in the U.S. alone.

I'm not worried about a "temporary shortage of toilet paper or eggs".  I've been dealing with that for weeks.  I'm worried about the reaction masses of people will have to decreased access to grocery stores and supermarkets, and how that reaction could escalate beyond the so-far relatively stable social conditions we've been seeing.  If you can't understand the difference then that's on you.

> "I've been dealing with [a "temporary shortage of toilet paper or eggs"] for weeks."

> "the so-far relatively stable social conditions we've been seeing"

Pick one.

[Del Tachi]

Panic buying is already a *major, major problem (and so far is actually a bigger problem than anything we've seen on the healthcare side).

Sometimes I read these things and wonder.

A temporary shortage of toilet paper or eggs is a bigger problem than people dying?

Hmmm.

I guess when it really comes down to it, when the going gets tough, and when push comes to shove, when you turn 100 years old and look back on your life, what really maters in end is not actually friends and family, but whether you always had enough toilet paper and whether you had to go even a single week without a carton of eggs.

Panic buying is a huge problem insomuch as people are *panicked and thus become more likely to do stupid things, and supply/distribution chains are already under extreme stress due to disrupted production, reduced transit, fallen commodity prices, and close to 10 million newly unemployed in the U.S. alone.

I'm not worried about a "temporary shortage of toilet paper or eggs".  I've been dealing with that for weeks.  I'm worried about the reaction masses of people will have to decreased access to grocery stores and supermarkets, and how that reaction could escalate beyond the so-far relatively stable social conditions we've been seeing.  If you can't understand the difference then that's on you.

> "I've been dealing with [a "temporary shortage of toilet paper or eggs"] for weeks."

> "the so-far relatively stable social conditions we've been seeing"

Pick one.

Can you really not see the distance here?  Panic buying is a problem now, but we've blunted it from getting out of control by keeping stores open and allowing people to move about them (largely) as normal.  People see the store open, people feel confident that they can go and get what they need.  The minute that people are put in the position of having to wait not just to buy highly in-demand staples (i.e., flour, canned veggies, toilet paper, whatever else) but also any potential immediate needs then the economically rational thing to do is drop everything you're doing and go to grocery store now because you have no idea about what waits might be like in the future.  That creates additional lines and additional waits, thus adding to the urgency of the situation - driving even more people to show-up and wait.  The increased transaction costs of the whole ordeal also encourages people to over-buy even more ("I waited an hour to get in today, so I need to buy everything I might possibly need so I can avoid having to wait 4 hours next week").

[brucejoel99]

Panic buying is already a *major, major problem (and so far is actually a bigger problem than anything we've seen on the healthcare side).

Sometimes I read these things and wonder.

A temporary shortage of toilet paper or eggs is a bigger problem than people dying?

Hmmm.

I guess when it really comes down to it, when the going gets tough, and when push comes to shove, when you turn 100 years old and look back on your life, what really maters in end is not actually friends and family, but whether you always had enough toilet paper and whether you had to go even a single week without a carton of eggs.

Panic buying is a huge problem insomuch as people are *panicked and thus become more likely to do stupid things, and supply/distribution chains are already under extreme stress due to disrupted production, reduced transit, fallen commodity prices, and close to 10 million newly unemployed in the U.S. alone.

I'm not worried about a "temporary shortage of toilet paper or eggs".  I've been dealing with that for weeks.  I'm worried about the reaction masses of people will have to decreased access to grocery stores and supermarkets, and how that reaction could escalate beyond the so-far relatively stable social conditions we've been seeing.  If you can't understand the difference then that's on you.

> "I've been dealing with [a "temporary shortage of toilet paper or eggs"] for weeks."

> "the so-far relatively stable social conditions we've been seeing"

Pick one.

Can you really not see the distance here?  Panic buying is a problem now, but we've blunted it from getting out of control by keeping stores open and allowing people to move about them (largely) as normal.  People see the store open, people feel confident that they can go and get what they need.  The minute that people are put in the position of having to wait not just to buy highly in-demand staples (i.e., flour, canned veggies, toilet paper, whatever else) but also any potential immediate needs then the economically rational thing to do is drop everything you're doing and go to grocery store now because you have no idea about what waits might be like in the future.  That creates additional lines and additional waits, thus adding to the urgency of the situation - driving even more people to show-up and wait.  The increased transaction costs of the whole ordeal also encourages people to over-buy even more ("I waited an hour to get in today, so I need to buy everything I might possibly need so I can avoid having to wait 4 hours next week").

The stores are still open. People will have just as much of an ability to go in & get what they need tomorrow as they did yesterday. Don't believe me? The average Walmart is 186,000 sqft large. 5 people per 1,000 sqft means 930 people can be inside at any given moment.

"Oh no, I might have to suffer the pure agony of standing in line for all of a couple of minutes. Let me go clear out my Walmart's stock of dried beans, disinfectant spray, & toilet paper because the economically rational thing to do in this situation is to drop everything I'm doing & go to (Walmart) now because (I) have no idea about what waits might be like!!"

Again, please get a grip on reality.

[Smeulders]

For the people panicking, most of Europe currently has had similar restrictions on grocery stores for weeks. We have not fallen to anarchy yet.