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Question: which do you oppose most
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individual welfare
 
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corporate welfare
 
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political welfare
 
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Author Topic: welfare (thread turned into Y.a. neos v paleos argument)  (Read 6045 times)
dazzleman
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« on: December 02, 2006, 07:29:05 AM »

In other words, people who work should have their hard earned money taken from them and given to lazy people who don't want to work. Does that seem fair?

No.  But on that note, would it seem fair for someone who tries very hard to earn a living but simply can't catch a break to simply be thrown to the wayside and ignored because he or she had unfortunate circumstances in life?

The attitude among many people that all citizens on welfare are simply lazy bums who don't want to work is quite disgusting, frankly - no offense.

I wouldn't say it's disgusting -- it's an attitude that is borne of frustration with welfare advocates who don't want to acknowledge that the programs they advocate are being abused, which they are.

Often, people end up on welfare due to poor choices and poor decisions, sometimes coupled with laziness that prevents them from overcoming the effects of their decisions.  Welfare becomes a trap, and they develop "the attitude," which I have seen firsthand many times.  "The attitude" is a big part of why so many people hate welfare recipients.

Many on welfare are handicapped in some way, generally mentally, due to drug addiction, some form of mental illness, etc.  I don't think it's realistic to think that long-term welfare is for average people who just suffered from some bad luck.  People like that recover, and get back on their feet eventually.
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dazzleman
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2006, 02:50:23 PM »

I wouldn't say it's disgusting -- it's an attitude that is borne of frustration with welfare advocates who don't want to acknowledge that the programs they advocate are being abused, which they are.

Often, people end up on welfare due to poor choices and poor decisions, sometimes coupled with laziness that prevents them from overcoming the effects of their decisions.  Welfare becomes a trap, and they develop "the attitude," which I have seen firsthand many times.  "The attitude" is a big part of why so many people hate welfare recipients.

Many on welfare are handicapped in some way, generally mentally, due to drug addiction, some form of mental illness, etc.  I don't think it's realistic to think that long-term welfare is for average people who just suffered from some bad luck.  People like that recover, and get back on their feet eventually.

Of course welfare gets abused now and then, but I'm talking about people who take it to the extreme, who think that no one would ever need welfare in a totally free market, who think that people on welfare are just lazy bums who want to be on welfare, etc., etc.

I think the problem is deeper than you think.  Welfare is a trap, and many of those who are on it longer-term set up their lives so they have no choice other than to be on it.  Many are lazy bums who want to be on welfare.

I don't favor eliminating the whole system, but I think abuse of the system is the rule rather than the exception, and the easy availability of welfare has enabled a lot of destructive social trends.
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