PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

[brucejoel99]

I went to college in Boston and socialized quite a bit with folks at Harvard, and I’m genuinely confused by this “Harvard makes you out of touch with working people” idea. Granted it was quite some time ago, but I found virtually all of them to be genuinely good and well-meaning people, many from modest backgrounds who viewed their place at Harvard as being a big deal for their families and a major reason why they believed their futures would be brighter than their pasts.

I’m sure there were plenty of trust-fund children, legacy admissions, and students outright bribed in, and I’m sure that the cost of education/student loan nonsense of today has changed some things, but it’s broadly generalistic and out of touch in its own right to suggest that a Harvard education makes one unable to understand the issues of working families.

Politics is about perception not reality, Fetterman can be framed as an elitest using things like his Harvard education and reliance on family funds. His politics is also pretty left-wing and leaves him vulnerable to whisper campaigns.

I don't know why people are assuming he's a strong candidate in rural Pennsylvania other than his appearance. He won the LT governor primary when the vote was split between 3 eastern PA canidates.He has no other statewide success and mayor of Braddock was more a social experimenting/philantrophy experiment than something that shows his electoral strenght.

If that's true, then Fetterman is clearly the one to benefit.

Yeah, if the supposed reality is that Fetterman's actually some rich elitist who got a Harvard education & was able to live without an income thanks to money from his rich family, then he's done a great f**king job thus far of ingraining this perception into all of our minds that he's just your run-of-the-mill tough, no-nonsense, blue-collar member of the WWC.

Are you an actual swing voter or somebody from rural PA who voted for Trump ? being loved among partisan democrats doesn't translte into direct appele to trump receptive rural areas of the pensyvania.

Are you? Better yet, are there any actual swing voters you can point to who think Fetterman's a phoney? Are there any actual rural Pennsylvanians you can point to who voted for Trump & who think Fetterman's a phoney? I mean, you can obviously perceive their existence. Otherwise, you wouldn't be arguing that they must exist. So why not show them to us?

Until you or anybody else can do so, you can excuse my lack of worry about a hypothetical attack that's never even been thrown at the guy 'til you had the bright idea to come up with it in this very thread. I mean, after all, if Fetterman's supposedly been open to this line of attack this whole time, then how come nobody ever thought to attack him for it?

[Morning in Atlas]

We would be so much better off if he won the nomination in 2016.

[KaiserDave]

[The Dowager Mod]

 
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1358860650924150790

[JerryArkansas]

You all realise this man chassed down a black man in 2013 with a shotgun because he was jogging right?  Like why are you cheering him on?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

You all realise this man chassed down a black man in 2013 with a shotgun because he was jogging right?  Like why are you cheering him on?

Robert C Byrd was a clansman but the D party except during Jim Crow doesn't follow QAnon like Rs do.

Bob Casey Jr appeals to WC too

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

https://twitter.com/Laurenjmayk/status/1358862149859311616

Just a wonderful candidate. Enthusiastically endorsed, obviously.

My only regret is that I have but one endorsement to give.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

With a tight Senate, it's gonna come down to Sinema and Manchin again anyways

[Morning in Atlas]

You all realise this man chassed down a black man in 2013 with a shotgun because he was jogging right?  Like why are you cheering him on?

I wasn't aware of this, even as someone who was going to college in PA in 2016. The incident was a few weeks after Sandy Hook, a few months before Black Lives Matter became an organized movement and a Florida jury pushed police brutality to the forefront of white America's minds.

I 100% understand why you'd be suspicious of Fetterman if you're black. At the same time, I believe he should be given the chance to demonstrate that he's changed, and I have faith that he'll show that he has.

[brucejoel99]

You all realise this man chassed down a black man in 2013 with a shotgun because he was jogging right?  Like why are you cheering him on?

Never heard about this, so I googled it: he thought he heard gunshots & saw a masked man in commando-gear running away from the vicinity of where he thought he heard said gunshots coming from, so he immediately called the police & then proceeded to pursue the man - whom, remember, was armed for all Fetterman knew - while armed himself & waiting for the police to arrive, though the whole thing turned out to be a misunderstanding, with the man just happening to have been an unarmed Black jogger.

Certainly not a proud moment or anything, but that's just nowhere near the same thing as deliberately "chas[ing] down a Black man with a shotgun because he was jogging" so much as literally just amounting to basic reasonable suspicion, with his actions given the circumstances of the situation he found himself in being entirely understandable. That is, the guy's race was irrelevant to the circumstances: he could've been white, or Black, or Asian, etc., but what Fetterman saw was a masked guy in commando-gear running away from the scene of what he thought were gunshots, so being suspicious in that situation isn't unreasonable. (Not to mention, he had his 4-year-old son with him too, & given that this was in the immediate aftermath of Sandy Hook, being on-edge about that wouldn't exactly be unforgivable either.)

Based on the totality of the guy's actual political record, which consists of nothing but allyship with POC, the incarcerated, the LGBTQ+ community, women, etc., I'd personally be inclined to agree with those who've analyzed this situation & seemingly been willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, go out on a limb here, & just occam's razor this: "are those gunshots? And is that a masked man in commando-gear running away from where I just heard those gunshots coming from?," not "is that an innocent, unarmed Black man out for a jog? Quick, lemme grab my shotgun so I can chase & intimidate him!!"

[MillennialModerate]

If Fetterman could win this seat - god that would be huge

(Stating the obvious, I know)
 

[xavier110]

I went to college in Boston and socialized quite a bit with folks at Harvard, and I’m genuinely confused by this “Harvard makes you out of touch with working people” idea. Granted it was quite some time ago, but I found virtually all of them to be genuinely good and well-meaning people, many from modest backgrounds who viewed their place at Harvard as being a big deal for their families and a major reason why they believed their futures would be brighter than their pasts.

I’m sure there were plenty of trust-fund children, legacy admissions, and students outright bribed in, and I’m sure that the cost of education/student loan nonsense of today has changed some things, but it’s broadly generalistic and out of touch in its own right to suggest that a Harvard education makes one unable to understand the issues of working families.

Politics is about perception not reality, Fetterman can be framed as an elitest using things like his Harvard education and reliance on family funds. His politics is also pretty left-wing and leaves him vulnerable to whisper campaigns.

I want to rewind on this post again. LOL.

How the heck do you look at Fetterman and think Harvard-educated elitist? Most of politics, as you note, is optics and he just.... looks like a union dude. He physically is just so different from every other Senator. He does not give off any indication of being some trust fund baby.

PS. This is going to sound elitist of me, but he didn't go to Harvard for undergrad, so it's kind of whatever. The MPP isn't as susceptible to the bribe your way in vibes of undergrad.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

If Fetterman could win this seat - god that would be huge

(Stating the obvious, I know)
 

We have 21  months til Election

[Rookie Yinzer]

I don't live in PA but PASS. Rooting for Conor Lamb if he gets in.

[Left Wing]

I feel so in the middle on Fetterman. I think some people are being way too overly skeptical of him and acting as if he'd get torn apart statewide because he's a scary socialist or something, which there isn't really any evidence for. On the other hand some people seem to think there will be droves of wwc Trump voters that will line up to vote for him, which there also isn't really any evidence for in his electoral record. I think there's a lot of uncertainty to how he would do and I'm hoping Cartwright is the nominee as he has a more proven record of overperformance but also has the same progressive credentials. I don't really see any of the other members of the PA house delegation as particularly strong, they mostly feel interchangeable.

[S019]

I don't live in PA but PASS. Rooting for Conor Lamb if he gets in.

Yeah I think Lamb would be good, I'm also fine with Cartwright, I think either would be better than Fetterman

[Kung Fu Kenny]

I don't live in PA but PASS. Rooting for Conor Lamb if he gets in.

Conor Lamb is a fraud. He voted against a bill to federally decriminalize marijuana because he felt it was a waste of time. Talk about living in the past.

[Flyersfan232]

https://twitter.com/Laurenjmayk/status/1358862149859311616

Just a wonderful candidate. Enthusiastically endorsed, obviously.

I love this guy so much. Signed up this morning for volunteer opportunities.

you fetterman arent you?

[Comrade Funk]

#Khive hate anyone who supported Bernie. They don't really care all too much about policy. Just "stanning" politicians like its a gameshow.

[The Houstonian]

You all realise this man chassed down a black man in 2013 with a shotgun because he was jogging right?  Like why are you cheering him on?

You say this without acknowledging that a) he heard gun shots in the area, b) he saw a man running in the opposite direction wearing a face mask and goggles, and c) he never drew the shotgun or pointed it at the man. Without these details, it sounds like he hunts black people for sport, which is the opposite of the truth here.

[Kung Fu Kenny]

https://twitter.com/Laurenjmayk/status/1358862149859311616

Just a wonderful candidate. Enthusiastically endorsed, obviously.

I love this guy so much. Signed up this morning for volunteer opportunities.

you fetterman arent you?

God, I wish. I have met him though!

[Unbeatable Titan Susan Collins]

You all realise this man chassed down a black man in 2013 with a shotgun because he was jogging right?  Like why are you cheering him on?

You say this without acknowledging that a) he heard gun shots in the area, b) he saw a man running in the opposite direction wearing a face mask and goggles, and c) he never drew the shotgun or pointed it at the man. Without these details, it sounds like he hunts black people for sport, which is the opposite of the truth here.

A. There were no gunshots.

C. The victim says the gun was pointed at him.

[The Houstonian]

You all realise this man chassed down a black man in 2013 with a shotgun because he was jogging right?  Like why are you cheering him on?

You say this without acknowledging that a) he heard gun shots in the area, b) he saw a man running in the opposite direction wearing a face mask and goggles, and c) he never drew the shotgun or pointed it at the man. Without these details, it sounds like he hunts black people for sport, which is the opposite of the truth here.

A. There were no gunshots.

C. The victim says the gun was pointed at him.

In that case, it's one man's word against another's. I can't judge a person on that basis. In any case, it sounds like Fetterman was forced to make a split-second decision, and he decided incorrectly. I don't see why he still needs to answer for that today.

[JerryArkansas]

You all realise this man chassed down a black man in 2013 with a shotgun because he was jogging right?  Like why are you cheering him on?

You say this without acknowledging that a) he heard gun shots in the area, b) he saw a man running in the opposite direction wearing a face mask and goggles, and c) he never drew the shotgun or pointed it at the man. Without these details, it sounds like he hunts black people for sport, which is the opposite of the truth here.

You know there is also a video right?  which no gunshot can be heard.  And truthfully if that is your first reaction to grab a shotgun and chase someone down I just don't think I can trust you.

[Flyersfan232]

You all realise this man chassed down a black man in 2013 with a shotgun because he was jogging right?  Like why are you cheering him on?

You say this without acknowledging that a) he heard gun shots in the area, b) he saw a man running in the opposite direction wearing a face mask and goggles, and c) he never drew the shotgun or pointed it at the man. Without these details, it sounds like he hunts black people for sport, which is the opposite of the truth here.

You know there is also a video right?  which no gunshot can be heard.  And truthfully if that is your first reaction to grab a shotgun and chase someone down I just don't think I can trust you.

if i was a dem running against fetterman i would hunt down that jogger and try to make him a offer.