Trump supporter suggests killing self, family if Biden wins

[Horus]

Very disturbing, though I'm sure this is not that common.

The anti-Semitism is pouring out of their comments, disgusting.

What disgusts you most about this is anti-Semitism??  Every statement is so utterly disturbing and crazy on its face I don't why why anyone needs to try to dig into some subtextual.  And accusing an entire class of people of sexually abusing and murdering children is much worse than anti-Semitism anyway.

Do you think these people don’t believe weird sh**t about Jewish people?

Maybe, maybe not. A lot of QAnon is "antisemitism without the Jews." All of the tropes are commonly used in antisemitism, but "Jews" is replaced with "elites" and to some QAnoners, they do not think of them as the same. Others are certainly antisemitic. But presupposing antisemitism onto this specific case when there are about 1,000 things more obviously and clearly wrong with said family is not really helpful.

Would it be that far fetched if their using “elites” as an euphemism? Not saying they are, but it could be.

I'm sure some are, but I'm also very sure some view the two separately. There are many rifts in the QAnon movement, I would guess one is probably "It's the Jews" vs. "It's not the Jews."

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Very disturbing, though I'm sure this is not that common.

The anti-Semitism is pouring out of their comments, disgusting.

What disgusts you most about this is anti-Semitism??  Every statement is so utterly disturbing and crazy on its face I don't why why anyone needs to try to dig into some subtextual.  And accusing an entire class of people of sexually abusing and murdering children is much worse than anti-Semitism anyway.

Do you think these people don’t believe weird sh**t about Jewish people?

Maybe, maybe not. A lot of QAnon is "antisemitism without the Jews." All of the tropes are commonly used in antisemitism, but "Jews" is replaced with "elites" and to some QAnoners, they do not think of them as the same. Others are certainly antisemitic. But presupposing antisemitism onto this specific case when there are about 1,000 things more obviously and clearly wrong with said family is not really helpful.

Would it be that far fetched if their using “elites” as an euphemism? Not saying they are, but it could be.

I don’t think it’s far fetched, but I also don’t really think its necessary.  

I’ve heard that when David Duke started his political career, coming from the National Socialist White People’s Party, he was advised by people around him that he should basically drop the anti-semitism in his message and concentrate on the racism.  It’s not that people he was trying to win over were openly offended by anti-semitism, it’s just that Jews didn’t seem relevant to them and thus it was much easier to connect with people over their mutual hatred of blacks.

I think a lot people attracted to QAnon hate “liberals” and “elites” just because they have a lifelong perception of them as “others”, and not because they think they are all secretly Jewish.

[pbrower2a]

This is best referred  to the system of mental health, shaky as it is in America.

[voice_of_resistance]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_suicides_in_1945_Nazi_Germany

Something like this we are approaching. This world is wild indeed.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

The GOP is not a political party. It is a cult whose members are primed to drink the poison Kool-Aid when the Dear Leader gives the signal.

They are so full of hatred for everyone who isn't like them that they would rather die than share their country with other people.

I get very strong vibes of when Joseph Goebbels and his wife poisoned their kids and themselves because they didn't want to live in a Germany that wasn't run by Nazis.

Tina Arthur and Marcella Frank told me they plan to vote for Trump again because they are deeply alarmed by “the cabal.” They’ve heard “numerous reports” that the COVID-19 tents set up in New York and California were actually for children who had been rescued from underground sex-trafficking tunnels.

Arthur and Frank explained they’re not followers of QAnon. Frank says she spends most of her free time researching child sex trafficking, while Arthur adds that she often finds this information on the Russian-owned search engine Yandex. Frank’s eyes fill with tears as she describes what she’s found: children who are being raped and tortured so that “the cabal” can “extract their blood and drink it.” She says Trump has seized the blood on the black market as part of his fight against the cabal. “I think if Biden wins, the world is over, basically,” adds Arthur. “I would honestly try to leave the country. And if that wasn’t an option, I would probably take my children and sit in the garage and turn my car on and it would be over.”

They are not afraid to "share their country with other people."   You quoted what they are afraid of, and if it was remotely real anyone would be terrified of it.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Yes, a Biden win is going to turn America into a post-apocalyptic wasteland similar but different to what we had seen in Mad Max: Fury Road. The living will envy the dead.

Also see Trump's latest tweets in this threads for further information: https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=393843.0

[ElectionsGuy]

Why are stories about one crazy person or family relevant to the presidential election?

[RINO Tom]

Suddenly the Vince Foster conspiracy seems sane compared to what large swaths of Trump supporters now believe.

Citation needed.

[redjohn]

Suddenly the Vince Foster conspiracy seems sane compared to what large swaths of Trump supporters now believe.

Citation needed.

"In a recent poll of nearly 1,400 people by left-leaning Civiqs/Daily Kos, more than half of Republican respondents believed some part of QAnon: 33% said they believed the conspiracy was “mostly true,” while 26% said “some parts” are true."

59% good enough to qualify as "large swaths"?

[Roronoa D. Law]

Suddenly the Vince Foster conspiracy seems sane compared to what large swaths of Trump supporters now believe.

Citation needed.

[Never Made it to Graceland]

Suddenly the Vince Foster conspiracy seems sane compared to what large swaths of Trump supporters now believe.

Citation needed.

There are apparently still some "ancestral Democrats" left.

[ProudModerate2]

Suddenly the Vince Foster conspiracy seems sane compared to what large swaths of Trump supporters now believe.

Citation needed.

"In a recent poll of nearly 1,400 people by left-leaning Civiqs/Daily Kos, more than half of Republican respondents believed some part of QAnon: 33% said they believed the conspiracy was “mostly true,” while 26% said “some parts” are true."
59% good enough to qualify as "large swaths"?

This is really scary s**t.
I guess Hillary was right.

[Koharu]

This article is also about more than one family, and the person talking about killing herself says she doesn't believe in QAnon, but does focus her free time on researching this child trafficking thing.

It does also address conspiracy theories on the left, as well:

Over a week of interviews in early September, I heard baseless conspiracies from ordinary Americans in parking lots and boutiques and strip malls from Racine to Cedarburg to Wauwatosa, Wis. Shaletha Mayfield, a Biden supporter from Racine, says she thinks Trump created COVID-19 and will bring it back again in the fall. Courtney Bjorn, a Kenosha resident who voted for Clinton in 2016 and plans to vote for Biden, lowered her voice as she speculated about the forces behind the destruction in her city. “No rich people lost their buildings,” she says. “Who benefits when neighborhoods burn down?”

But overall the article is about the danger of conspiracy theories as a whole and the problem conspiratorial thinking causes for our country.

Experts who follow disinformation say nothing will change until Facebook and YouTube shift their business model away from the algorithms that reward conspiracies. “We are not anywhere near peak crazy,” says Mele. Phillips, the professor from Syracuse, agrees that things will get weirder. “We’re in trouble,” she adds. “Words sort of fail to capture what a nightmare scenario this is.”

[Illiniwek]

So are child services on their way to pick up these children after their parents are threatening to murder-suicide them, or what?

[RINO Tom]

Suddenly the Vince Foster conspiracy seems sane compared to what large swaths of Trump supporters now believe.

Citation needed.

"In a recent poll of nearly 1,400 people by left-leaning Civiqs/Daily Kos, more than half of Republican respondents believed some part of QAnon: 33% said they believed the conspiracy was “mostly true,” while 26% said “some parts” are true."

59% good enough to qualify as "large swaths"?

Ah, I read that as you saying that large swaths of Trump's electorate believe similar things to the person in this story.

I will say, though, that I bet a good chunk of respondents in that 59% hardly know anything about this thing ... I certainly don't, lol.

[DrScholl]

Why are stories about one crazy person or family relevant to the presidential election?

It's relevant to discuss just how extreme portions of the electorate have become in this election. I'm sure if the parties were reversed you wouldn't be saying this.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Yes, a Biden win is going to turn America into a post-apocalyptic wasteland similar but different to what we had seen in Mad Max: Fury Road. The living will envy the dead.

Also see Trump's latest tweets in this threads for further information: https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=393843.0

He will literally become Immortan Joe!

[Indy Texas]

So are child services on their way to pick up these children after their parents are threatening to murder-suicide them, or what?

Do you think CPS officers showing up at this woman's house would end well?

You'd probably just end up with a murder-suicide that includes a couple of extra murders.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Suddenly the Vince Foster conspiracy seems sane compared to what large swaths of Trump supporters now believe.

Citation needed.

"In a recent poll of nearly 1,400 people by left-leaning Civiqs/Daily Kos, more than half of Republican respondents believed some part of QAnon: 33% said they believed the conspiracy was “mostly true,” while 26% said “some parts” are true."

59% good enough to qualify as "large swaths"?

They described it as "a conspiracy among deep state elites," which doesn't involve any of the really crazy stuff that is peculiar to Qanon.   Other polls have shown that the number of Republicans who have any familiarity with Qanon is much lower than those numbers, and lower than Democrats in fact (since it gets a lot of attention in left-leaning media).

Yeah they shouldn't describe qanon. Just say do you believe in qanon?

Navigator Research (pdf, pg. 6) asked that recently and found among Republicans it was 11 fav.% vs. 19% unfav.   More Democrats were familiar with it: 4% fav vs. 43% unfav.

Even these numbers may be high for actual Qanon support, as people might have vaguely heard of Qanon and just associate it with Trump or something else they support.

[Fuzzy Bear]

So are child services on their way to pick up these children after their parents are threatening to murder-suicide them, or what?

Do you think CPS officers showing up at this woman's house would end well?

You'd probably just end up with a murder-suicide that includes a couple of extra murders.

If I knew someone was threatening to do that I would report them, regardless of party. 

Worse things happen to kids when people DON'T report.

[John Dule]

When I read the title of this thread to my mom, she audibly gasped with excitement.

[DaleCooper]

Murder/suicide was always going to be the result of devotion to the QAnon conspiracy theory. Any nonsense that almost makes the Peoples Temple seem reasonable by comparison isn't going to result in anything good.

[It’s so Joever]

This almost reminds me of the “I will sacrifice my life for Pakistan” meme. Except replace Pakistan with Daddy Trump.

[Cyrusman]

Suicide-line phone calls increased after Trump won in 2016, and I expect the same to happen again this year regardless of who wins. Of course, the reasoning why some might is not entirely equivalent. Seriously, Biden is not going to be the existential threat to right wing interests that Trump will continue being to the left if he gets re-elected.

How can you say that though when Biden is running the most progressive campaign any candidate has ever run?

[Progressive Pessimist]

Suicide-line phone calls increased after Trump won in 2016, and I expect the same to happen again this year regardless of who wins. Of course, the reasoning why some might is not entirely equivalent. Seriously, Biden is not going to be the existential threat to right wing interests that Trump will continue being to the left if he gets re-elected.

How can you say that though when Biden is running the most progressive campaign any candidate has ever run?

Biden can be the most progressive candidate ever and lead in a way that doesn't exclude the majority of the country like with Trump. Progressivism is not exclusionary like Trumpism is.