Trump admin argues entire ACA should be thrown out, incl pre-existing conditions

[GP270watch]

Republicans have subverted and sabotaged the ACA from the beginning. We'll never know how well the ACA could have worked because so many of the mechanisms that were created to control costs have been dismantled by Republicans.

 The Republicans are giving people a lot of pain and suffering but ultimately they are guaranteeing the acceptance of government controlled socialized medicine. It is guaranteed to come to America because people are more global, they look at systems outside the United States and realize that what we do is crazy and unsustainable.

[pbrower2a]

They could have sought:

1. "Sin taxes" on alcohol and tobacco to offset some of the damage that  those substances do. I(n essence, "abuser fees".

2. Tort reform on medical care. Such could reduce law suits and hence medical malpractice insurance.

3. Getting more people into medicine as GP's. That is the Cuban secret to keeping costs in line. See the GP more often, and perhaps one avoids the costly specialists that devour medical payments.

With the GOP, profits are the objective for all economic activity unless one does the real work.   

[Progressive Pessimist]

*Villainously rubs hands together* Yes, good! This is just the distraction from the Mueller headlines that we need. I knew Trump would be able to deliver on that sooner or later...I'm just surprised at how soon he did. Democrats need to seize upon this and hammer home on what a harmful idea it is!

[Blackacre]

reminder that Mueller or no Mueller, Trump is a really bad President and should be removed from office as soon as possible.

(its just that "as soon as possible" means "jan 20th, 2021")

[Tartarus Sauce]

Turns out he really is just a moron.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Turns out he really is just a moron.

He's the GREATEST!  (moron)

[Cory]

Healthcare should go back to the insurance companies.

Cucked and bluepilled.

[T'Chenka]

Republicans have subverted and sabotaged the ACA from the beginning. We'll never know how well the ACA could have worked because so many of the mechanisms that were created to control costs have been dismantled by Republicans.

 The Republicans are giving people a lot of pain and suffering but ultimately they are guaranteeing the acceptance of government controlled socialized medicine. It is guaranteed to come to America because people are more global, they look at systems outside the United States and realize that what we do is crazy and unsustainable.

[IceAgeComing]

Large majorities of people disapproved of this law from 2010 to 2016, Dems cannot just ignore the problems that this law created. The government does not have a responsibility to provide health care. That is government overreach, if you think it was a good law, why, also answer why you think that government should interfere in the business of corporations

This is an incredibly facile argument for several reasons, and others have already started on one of the other points.

All major reforms of institutions generally aren't popular since people are naturally sceptical of change but generally over time that changes after people realise its benefits and it becomes the status quo - and the ACA has followed this trend.  Besides I don't see why popularity of something in 2016 should really matter in 2019!

The thing has issues (and certainly a lot of us would go down a very different road to fix them) but the main issue with the law is the repeal of the individual mandate which is an integral part of the thing and designed to prevent a death spiral.  That happened... under the current administration.  So what has happened is that rather than address the issues with the current law the US government has driven a lorry into the bits that are working instead.

The remaining bits are contentious philosophical arguments stated like they are facts which is something that shouldn't happen.  Besides the governments job is to "interfere" in things: one of the key responsibilities of any government is to pass laws to regulate the economy to ensure that people aren't taken advantage of by either other people or companies.  In my eyes if we allow the state to correctly intervene in the lives of ordinary people then companies shouldn't be seen as this scary thing that the state shouldn't touch.  As has been said the state regulates businesses on things like child labour, product safety standards and with consumer protection laws and when it comes to other types of insurance the state regulates them to make sure that the products available aren't rip-offs that don't provide the coverage they claim to and to ensure general access to them (since you can't mandate car insurance if insurers can deny people coverage) so I don't see why health insurance is at all special - indeed its actually more important.

And there's also what isn't mentioned: like for example people like me who live in America with a long term medical condition (asthma in my case: usually mild but I get a big attack every few years and they could potentially be fatal if I don't have drugs to treat it; plus not having my inhaler would be very harmful to my quality of life and make it harder for me to do things) possibly being denied healthcare insurance that covers that long term medical need, which denies healthcare coverage to all but the wealthiest people like that.  Now I'm not American and the National Health Service makes sure that I'm all good personally; but that doesn't mean that I can't be concerned about people like me who live in America and as far as I'm concerned making sure that those people are covered is more important than stupid philosophical arguments about "the size of government" or whatever because I value the lives of people and don't think that we should be in the position of allowing avoidable deaths just because of political principle.

[MasterJedi]

Why do Republicans hate children so much after they're born? Why are they trying to take away their healthcare and let them die from pre-existing conditions?

[Ban my account ffs!]

Why do Republicans hate children so much after they're born? Why are they trying to take away their healthcare and let them die from pre-existing conditions?

They take the contempt they have for women and the contempt they have for a woman’s personal autonomy and twist it into a fake, disingenuous “love” for the fetus.  They see abortion as a direct attack on male autonomy and their “entitlement” to have “their” woman/women subservient to them.

That is all of it.  This is proven by the way they deal with children once they are born.  They don’t give a f**k about fetuses or babies.  They’d rip the fetus out with a slotted spoon if it is what suited them, so long as it was the MAN making the choice.

What they really want is pro-choice for men.  Force the woman to have the child and then choose whether to stay or take off.

[BlueSwan]

Why do Republicans hate children so much after they're born? Why are they trying to take away their healthcare and let them die from pre-existing conditions?

It's a bit sadist right? Republicans want to do anything possible to put children into this world, even if their parents do not want them, and then strive as hard as they can to make life as miserable for said children as possible. Weird ideology.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Why do Republicans hate children so much after they're born? Why are they trying to take away their healthcare and let them die from pre-existing conditions?

It's a bit sadist right? Republicans want to do anything possible to put children into this world, even if their parents do not want them, and then strive as hard as they can to make life as miserable for said children as possible. Weird ideology.

They have no ideology. Just spite and primitive innate, knee-jerk reactions to things.

[Hammy]

Trump now wants the GOP to be the "party of healthcare" (which we all know means the party of the industry, not patient access)

[Fuzzy Bear]

Republicans have subverted and sabotaged the ACA from the beginning. We'll never know how well the ACA could have worked because so many of the mechanisms that were created to control costs have been dismantled by Republicans.

 The Republicans are giving people a lot of pain and suffering but ultimately they are guaranteeing the acceptance of government controlled socialized medicine. It is guaranteed to come to America because people are more global, they look at systems outside the United States and realize that what we do is crazy and unsustainable.

I suspect the underlined is inevitable.

I will say that I don't believe Trump actually has a plan to replace the whole of Obamacare.  Not at this point.

[T'Chenka]

Republicans have subverted and sabotaged the ACA from the beginning. We'll never know how well the ACA could have worked because so many of the mechanisms that were created to control costs have been dismantled by Republicans.

 The Republicans are giving people a lot of pain and suffering but ultimately they are guaranteeing the acceptance of government controlled socialized medicine. It is guaranteed to come to America because people are more global, they look at systems outside the United States and realize that what we do is crazy and unsustainable.

I suspect the underlined is inevitable.

I will say that I don't believe Trump actually has a plan to replace the whole of Obamacare.  Not at this point.

Trunp doesn't even have a plan for his next Tweet storm. He just wings it in regards to EVERYTHING.

[QAnonKelly]

I really think it would have been much better for the GOP in the long run if Nixon had been able to get his universal healthcare bill over the finish line. They just keep giving the ds ammo on the healthcare front.

[Torrain]

I really think it would have been much better for the GOP in the long run if Nixon had been able to get his universal healthcare bill over the finish line. They just keep giving the ds ammo on the healthcare front.

Man, the idea of an alternate history where Nixon is an FDR-type father of the nation, who pushed through universal healthcare. That would be a different world, with a very different GOP. 

[QAnonKelly]

I really think it would have been much better for the GOP in the long run if Nixon had been able to get his universal healthcare bill over the finish line. They just keep giving the ds ammo on the healthcare front.

Man, the idea of an alternate history where Nixon is an FDR-type father of the nation, who pushed through universal healthcare. That would be a different world, with a very different GOP. 

Could you imagine what the GOP would be like having all that Democratic leverage taken away and have been taken away 45 years ago?

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/1111048075878060032

[Progressive Pessimist]

https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/1111048075878060032

But I thought Democrats only cared about Russia!