Wealthiest Republican supporter in Ohio quits party, praises Obama

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

To get this back on topic, the way L Brands has been tanking this year, is Wexner still a billionaire? The ongoing collapse of that company is stunning.  Personally, I think the only way to salvage something would be to split off Bath and Body Works and let the rest of it collapse. This may well be the last year that Victoria's Secret gets its fashion show broadcast, especially with Moonves having been axed by CBS. The ratings keep going down and I doubt the new management will want to continue it. Certainly none of the other broadcasters will want it, tho a cable channel might pick it up.

[Fuzzy Bear]

He didn't become a Democrat, he's now an independent.

Also, he didn't say that he would support Democrats. He just liked President Obama's personality.

This.

Good job, Mr. Wexner. It took you entirely too long, but thank you for admitting what kind of place the Republican party is in and voting with your feet. I hope many more follow your example.

Well, not quite.

Ohio is a state that does not have party registration.  It is the polar opposite of New York, which has party registration that makes it impossible to switch your registration to vote in another party's primary for up to almost two (2) years after you switch.  In Ohio, the party whose ballot you request is the party you are a member of; if you don't request a partisan ballot, you are an unaffiliated voter.

If he votes in all Democratic Primaries, he's a Democrat (in fact).

I'll say this:  I still don't get it why Democrats view this as a negative.  They are looking a Billion Dollar Gift Horse in the mouth, are they not? 

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

He didn't become a Democrat, he's now an independent.

Also, he didn't say that he would support Democrats. He just liked President Obama's personality.

This.

Good job, Mr. Wexner. It took you entirely too long, but thank you for admitting what kind of place the Republican party is in and voting with your feet. I hope many more follow your example.

Well, not quite.

Ohio is a state that does not have party registration.  It is the polar opposite of New York, which has party registration that makes it impossible to switch your registration to vote in another party's primary for up to almost two (2) years after you switch.  In Ohio, the party whose ballot you request is the party you are a member of; if you don't request a partisan ballot, you are an unaffiliated voter.

If he votes in all Democratic Primaries, he's a Democrat (in fact).

I'll say this:  I still don't get it why Democrats view this as a negative.  They are looking a Billion Dollar Gift Horse in the mouth, are they not? 

Oh yes, the Democratic party clearly needs more rich neoliberals because there aren't enough already. If only another million Meg Whitmans had joined, Hillary would have won.

[GeorgiaModerate]

He didn't become a Democrat, he's now an independent.

Also, he didn't say that he would support Democrats. He just liked President Obama's personality.

This.

Good job, Mr. Wexner. It took you entirely too long, but thank you for admitting what kind of place the Republican party is in and voting with your feet. I hope many more follow your example.

Well, not quite.

Ohio is a state that does not have party registration.  It is the polar opposite of New York, which has party registration that makes it impossible to switch your registration to vote in another party's primary for up to almost two (2) years after you switch.  In Ohio, the party whose ballot you request is the party you are a member of; if you don't request a partisan ballot, you are an unaffiliated voter.

If he votes in all Democratic Primaries, he's a Democrat (in fact).

I'll say this:  I still don't get it why Democrats view this as a negative.  They are looking a Billion Dollar Gift Horse in the mouth, are they not? 

Oh yes, the Democratic party clearly needs more rich neoliberals because there aren't enough already. If only another million Meg Whitmans had joined, Hillary would have won.

Supporting Hillary did not magically convert a Republican into a Democrat.  Whitman is still a Republican.

[pbrower2a]

What did I say that was anti-semetic? I implied Jewish people are pre-dominantly democrats. They are.

Why is that such a trigger? It's no different than saying, "Non college white votes for Trump - news @ 11".

You guys REALLY get triggered by generalizations, don't you?

1. He was not identified as a Jew. He is a highly-successful businessman with a German surname. Not every such person is a Jew. Heck, I have been smeared for being Jewish because of my surname, my political views, and something that I seek to not discuss at this point.

2. It is an oddity that a wealthy Jew is a conservative active in the Republican party. Yes, I know about Sheldon Adelson... but who doesn't?

3. Lots of white people without college degrees vote Democratic. The real divide is between fundamentalist/evangelical Protestants  (who vote heavily for Republicans) and other white people (who don't vote so heavily for Republicans). The distinction between college-educated white people and non-college-educated white people in electoral demographics is that fundamentalist and evangelical Christians are less likely to complete college degrees due to the anti-intellectualism that so permeates their religious culture.  Try offering an essay promoting young-earth creationism in a first-rate college, and see where that gets you.

[Indy Texas]

Also, he's the CEO of the company that owns Victoria's Secret and Bath & Body Works.

I know there are people here who hate any and all businesses that turn a profit, but I would think lingerie, soap and scented candle stores would be one of the things that upset them far less than, say, an oil/coal company or a private equity firm.

[Person Man]

I blame at least the first page of this thread on Ambien!

[Virginiá]

Semi-relevant:

Money Talks. Will the G.O.P. Listen?
Seth Klarman was once the biggest donor to the Republican Party in New England. This year he’s giving some $20 million to Democrats.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/15/opinion/sunday/seth-klarman-donations-trump-democrats.html

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Big GOP donor not only cuts off funding but donates like 3x as much to various Democrats/Dem-aligned groups in a single cycle. AND finds Trump so atrocious that he would vote for Bernie Sanders over Trump. Those are some strong feelings for a hedge fund manager with conservative economic leanings.

[PSOL]

Either way it is interesting how the burned wealthy elite, always looking for profits, are so negatively impacted that they are losing their damn minds from Trumps policies. Like they now realized that Obama was the best market solution, as they could still force down austerity among the states but not nationally.

Now that they are blocked out of the Trump Oligarchy, they are huddling for the supposed radical solutions by supporting the party already in line yet always a second fish to the Republican admins.

I also find it funny that Dems here are so blind as to allow struggling politically blind people out on the curb, while supporting the same pro-local austerity suits that got us here.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Atlas Democrats:

"Trump is obviously a vile human being, why do still people vote Republican?"

Atlas Democrats, after a wealthy Republican says he will stop voting Republican because Trump is a vile human being:

"I don't want your support, neoliberal scum!"

The left's outright hatred of rich people is so odd to me. Especially since many of them came from well off families.

Atlas socialists often come from middle class white suburban backgrounds and in their teen/20’s angst must rebel against it and everything it’s about. So instead their admiration is glued towards rural white voters who they avoid in real life and make weird caricatures about them being socialists with a social conservative bent. It’s similar to how white weeaboos worship Japan while knowing nothing about actual Japan.

You just always get it so right. Preach!

[PSOL]

Atlas Democrats:

"Trump is obviously a vile human being, why do still people vote Republican?"

Atlas Democrats, after a wealthy Republican says he will stop voting Republican because Trump is a vile human being:

"I don't want your support, neoliberal scum!"

The left's outright hatred of rich people is so odd to me. Especially since many of them came from well off families.

Atlas socialists often come from middle class white suburban backgrounds and in their teen/20’s angst must rebel against it and everything it’s about. So instead their admiration is glued towards rural white voters who they avoid in real life and make weird caricatures about them being socialists with a social conservative bent. It’s similar to how white weeaboos worship Japan while knowing nothing about actual Japan.

You just always get it so right. Preach!

No, no he didn’t. The stereotype of the Champaign socialist being the only socialists around is a false stereotype. So does idealizing racist working class members. The actual socialists, on here and in reality, care about uplifting everyone from poverty and suffering. Eugene Debs, Gloria La Riva, and others are working class people who fought for all members of the working class, cutting lines to uplift the people. Jacobin, that Kentucky bandit, and others do the same.

 Also the fact that you give sh**t to middle income or “well off” people, who uses their power to try to help the world, is terrible. Just because you close your eyes and segregate yourself from the suffering, because of your cowardice, laziness, or fear of dropping down, don’t blow your horn taking people that fight for our ( your) taken-for granted rights and for leveling the playing field.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Now that I have deleted half of the posts in this thread, leaving only one small branch of the derailing exchange that I found to be surprisingly high in quality intact, we can get back to the actual topic at hand.

     To address the topic, this reminds me of Joe Scarborough leaving the GOP, or Ben Sasse talking about how he has thought about leaving. It is certainly not encouraging, but absent any indication that the individual intends to support Democratic causes the impact of such a change is decidedly muted.

[Badger]

Atlas Democrats:

"Trump is obviously a vile human being, why do still people vote Republican?"

Atlas Democrats, after a wealthy Republican says he will stop voting Republican because Trump is a vile human being:

"I don't want your support, neoliberal scum!"

The left's outright hatred of rich people is so odd to me. Especially since many of them came from well off families.

Atlas socialists often come from middle class white suburban backgrounds and in their teen/20’s angst must rebel against it and everything it’s about. So instead their admiration is glued towards rural white voters who they avoid in real life and make weird caricatures about them being socialists with a social conservative bent. It’s similar to how white weeaboos worship Japan while knowing nothing about actual Japan.

Somewhat true. Though I will note my law partner is one of the few self-described socialists ... and use the GI bill for college and then Law School.

Well there’s your answer. If only more rural whites were college educated.

Neither he or I would disagree.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Atlas Democrats:

"Trump is obviously a vile human being, why do still people vote Republican?"

Atlas Democrats, after a wealthy Republican says he will stop voting Republican because Trump is a vile human being:

"I don't want your support, neoliberal scum!"

The left's outright hatred of rich people is so odd to me. Especially since many of them come from well off families.

tbf a lot of them are self-loathing too.

[Technocracy Timmy]

Atlas Democrats:

"Trump is obviously a vile human being, why do still people vote Republican?"

Atlas Democrats, after a wealthy Republican says he will stop voting Republican because Trump is a vile human being:

"I don't want your support, neoliberal scum!"

The left's outright hatred of rich people is so odd to me. Especially since many of them came from well off families.

Atlas socialists often come from middle class white suburban backgrounds and in their teen/20’s angst must rebel against it and everything it’s about. So instead their admiration is glued towards rural white voters who they avoid in real life and make weird caricatures about them being socialists with a social conservative bent. It’s similar to how white weeaboos worship Japan while knowing nothing about actual Japan.

You just always get it so right. Preach!

No, no he didn’t. The stereotype of the Champaign socialist being the only socialists around is a false stereotype.

Literally the first word of my post refers specifically to atlas socialists. I highly doubt Gloria LaRiva and Eugene Debs’ ghost are browsing atlas.

I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

[PSOL]

Atlas Democrats:

"Trump is obviously a vile human being, why do still people vote Republican?"

Atlas Democrats, after a wealthy Republican says he will stop voting Republican because Trump is a vile human being:

"I don't want your support, neoliberal scum!"

The left's outright hatred of rich people is so odd to me. Especially since many of them came from well off families.

Atlas socialists often come from middle class white suburban backgrounds and in their teen/20’s angst must rebel against it and everything it’s about. So instead their admiration is glued towards rural white voters who they avoid in real life and make weird caricatures about them being socialists with a social conservative bent. It’s similar to how white weeaboos worship Japan while knowing nothing about actual Japan.

You just always get it so right. Preach!

No, no he didn’t. The stereotype of the Champaign socialist being the only socialists around is a false stereotype.

Literally the first word of my post refers specifically to atlas socialists. I highly doubt Gloria LaRiva and Eugene Debs’ ghost are browsing atlas.

I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

I did mention the atlas working class members that are socialists later in my post and why giving crap to the middle income folks here is bunk. Plus let’s be honest, the accusations of atlas members is your generalization of all socialists.

[Technocracy Timmy]

Atlas Democrats:

"Trump is obviously a vile human being, why do still people vote Republican?"

Atlas Democrats, after a wealthy Republican says he will stop voting Republican because Trump is a vile human being:

"I don't want your support, neoliberal scum!"

The left's outright hatred of rich people is so odd to me. Especially since many of them came from well off families.

Atlas socialists often come from middle class white suburban backgrounds and in their teen/20’s angst must rebel against it and everything it’s about. So instead their admiration is glued towards rural white voters who they avoid in real life and make weird caricatures about them being socialists with a social conservative bent. It’s similar to how white weeaboos worship Japan while knowing nothing about actual Japan.

You just always get it so right. Preach!

No, no he didn’t. The stereotype of the Champaign socialist being the only socialists around is a false stereotype.

Literally the first word of my post refers specifically to atlas socialists. I highly doubt Gloria LaRiva and Eugene Debs’ ghost are browsing atlas.

I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

I did mention the atlas working class members that are socialists later in my post and why giving crap to the middle income folks here is bunk. Plus let’s be honest, the accusations of atlas members is your generalization of all socialists.

Well it’s either they’re sheltered from being middle class or they’re just deluded to assume that rural whites are interested in socialist policies. You can claim all you want about how people like me “segregate ourselves” from suffering but you guys are the ones on this forum who defend the same people that time and time again have voted for Republican candidates and elected Trump. They don’t see themselves as victims and people like your ilk come across as being hilariously condescending when you try to tell them that they’re actually suffering (arguably more condescending than Icespear’s entire posting history).

Also the best case scenario you’ll get is rural whites just not seeing themselves as victims. Worst case scenario you’ll find plenty of the ones who know they’re getting screwed and are fine with it so long as minorities aren’t getting the benefit. Read up on the southern strategy if you have the time mate.

[Indy Texas]

Maybe this will show the Republican voter base what the donor class really thinks of them.

This guy has been showered with tax cuts and deregulation nonstop for the past two years, and what does he do? Denounce the party that gave him those things. Such ingratitude!

[HillGoose]

Atlas Democrats:

"Trump is obviously a vile human being, why do still people vote Republican?"

Atlas Democrats, after a wealthy Republican says he will stop voting Republican because Trump is a vile human being:

"I don't want your support, neoliberal scum!"

The left's outright hatred of rich people is so odd to me. Especially since many of them came from well off families.

Atlas socialists often come from middle class white suburban backgrounds and in their teen/20’s angst must rebel against it and everything it’s about. So instead their admiration is glued towards rural white voters who they avoid in real life and make weird caricatures about them being socialists with a social conservative bent. It’s similar to how white weeaboos worship Japan while knowing nothing about actual Japan.

You just always get it so right. Preach!

No, no he didn’t. The stereotype of the Champaign socialist being the only socialists around is a false stereotype.

Literally the first word of my post refers specifically to atlas socialists. I highly doubt Gloria LaRiva and Eugene Debs’ ghost are browsing atlas.

I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

I did mention the atlas working class members that are socialists later in my post and why giving crap to the middle income folks here is bunk. Plus let’s be honest, the accusations of atlas members is your generalization of all socialists.

Well it’s either they’re sheltered from being middle class or they’re just deluded to assume that rural whites are interested in socialist policies. You can claim all you want about how people like me “segregate ourselves” from suffering but you guys are the ones on this forum who defend the same people that time and time again have voted for Republican candidates and elected Trump. They don’t see themselves as victims and people like your ilk come across as being hilariously condescending when you try to tell them that they’re actually suffering (arguably more condescending than Icespear’s entire posting history).

Also the best case scenario you’ll get is rural whites just not seeing themselves as victims. Worst case scenario you’ll find plenty of the ones who know they’re getting screwed and are fine with it so long as minorities aren’t getting the benefit. Read up on the southern strategy if you have the time mate.

My family are practically all working class rural whites. They think they're some kind of victims and that their lack of success in life is the fault of everyone but themselves, and that because of that it's justified to be a useless drug addict or alcoholic. I hate them and their loser victim mentality. That's why the worship of rural working class whites on Atlas makes me so mad. I grew up in that environment and it's horrible. Yet no one on Atlas takes my actual experience living with working class whites as legitimate or whatever, even though few or none of them have ever lived that lifestyle. It's infuriating.

[IceSpear]

Atlas Democrats:

"Trump is obviously a vile human being, why do still people vote Republican?"

Atlas Democrats, after a wealthy Republican says he will stop voting Republican because Trump is a vile human being:

"I don't want your support, neoliberal scum!"

The left's outright hatred of rich people is so odd to me. Especially since many of them came from well off families.

Atlas socialists often come from middle class white suburban backgrounds and in their teen/20’s angst must rebel against it and everything it’s about. So instead their admiration is glued towards rural white voters who they avoid in real life and make weird caricatures about them being socialists with a social conservative bent. It’s similar to how white weeaboos worship Japan while knowing nothing about actual Japan.

You just always get it so right. Preach!

No, no he didn’t. The stereotype of the Champaign socialist being the only socialists around is a false stereotype.

Literally the first word of my post refers specifically to atlas socialists. I highly doubt Gloria LaRiva and Eugene Debs’ ghost are browsing atlas.

I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

I did mention the atlas working class members that are socialists later in my post and why giving crap to the middle income folks here is bunk. Plus let’s be honest, the accusations of atlas members is your generalization of all socialists.

Well it’s either they’re sheltered from being middle class or they’re just deluded to assume that rural whites are interested in socialist policies. You can claim all you want about how people like me “segregate ourselves” from suffering but you guys are the ones on this forum who defend the same people that time and time again have voted for Republican candidates and elected Trump. They don’t see themselves as victims and people like your ilk come across as being hilariously condescending when you try to tell them that they’re actually suffering (arguably more condescending than Icespear’s entire posting history).

Also the best case scenario you’ll get is rural whites just not seeing themselves as victims. Worst case scenario you’ll find plenty of the ones who know they’re getting screwed and are fine with it so long as minorities aren’t getting the benefit. Read up on the southern strategy if you have the time mate.

My family are practically all working class rural whites. They think they're some kind of victims and that their lack of success in life is the fault of everyone but themselves, and that because of that it's justified to be a useless drug addict or alcoholic. I hate them and their loser victim mentality. That's why the worship of rural working class whites on Atlas makes me so mad. I grew up in that environment and it's horrible. Yet no one on Atlas takes my actual experience living with working class whites as legitimate or whatever, even though few or none of them have ever lived that lifestyle. It's infuriating.

Clearly some socialist living in England who has never been to the United States, let alone Appalachia, knows more about working class rural Appalachian whites in West Virginia than those of us who have actually been among them though!

[Mechavada]

Yeah but that doesn't mean you guys can be dickheads about people who are suffering from poverty, regardless of who they voted for.  But what should we expect?  The only defense mechanism some of you seem to have is to endlessly strawman what "socialists" actually believe.  Nobody that I'm aware of on here has called on for Democrats to become the Party of Nowheresville, Kansas.  Just that we actually be consistent about y'know. . . . . . . taking on the corrupt elements that have been robbing the poor and middle classes of all races for decades.

Course, if I tailored my strategy to freaking Reagan Republicans maybe I would be resorting to intellectual dishonesty as often as I could too.

[Politician]

Atlas Democrats:

"Trump is obviously a vile human being, why do still people vote Republican?"

Atlas Democrats, after a wealthy Republican says he will stop voting Republican because Trump is a vile human being:

"I don't want your support, neoliberal scum!"

The left's outright hatred of rich people is so odd to me. Especially since many of them came from well off families.

Atlas socialists often come from middle class white suburban backgrounds and in their teen/20’s angst must rebel against it and everything it’s about. So instead their admiration is glued towards rural white voters who they avoid in real life and make weird caricatures about them being socialists with a social conservative bent. It’s similar to how white weeaboos worship Japan while knowing nothing about actual Japan.

You just always get it so right. Preach!

No, no he didn’t. The stereotype of the Champaign socialist being the only socialists around is a false stereotype.

Literally the first word of my post refers specifically to atlas socialists. I highly doubt Gloria LaRiva and Eugene Debs’ ghost are browsing atlas.

I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

I did mention the atlas working class members that are socialists later in my post and why giving crap to the middle income folks here is bunk. Plus let’s be honest, the accusations of atlas members is your generalization of all socialists.

Well it’s either they’re sheltered from being middle class or they’re just deluded to assume that rural whites are interested in socialist policies. You can claim all you want about how people like me “segregate ourselves” from suffering but you guys are the ones on this forum who defend the same people that time and time again have voted for Republican candidates and elected Trump. They don’t see themselves as victims and people like your ilk come across as being hilariously condescending when you try to tell them that they’re actually suffering (arguably more condescending than Icespear’s entire posting history).

Also the best case scenario you’ll get is rural whites just not seeing themselves as victims. Worst case scenario you’ll find plenty of the ones who know they’re getting screwed and are fine with it so long as minorities aren’t getting the benefit. Read up on the southern strategy if you have the time mate.

My family are practically all working class rural whites. They think they're some kind of victims and that their lack of success in life is the fault of everyone but themselves, and that because of that it's justified to be a useless drug addict or alcoholic. I hate them and their loser victim mentality. That's why the worship of rural working class whites on Atlas makes me so mad. I grew up in that environment and it's horrible. Yet no one on Atlas takes my actual experience living with working class whites as legitimate or whatever, even though few or none of them have ever lived that lifestyle. It's infuriating.

Clearly some socialist living in England who has never been to the United States, let alone Appalachia, knows more about working class rural Appalachian whites in West Virginia than those of us who have actually been among them though!

[HillGoose]

Yeah but that doesn't mean you guys can be dickheads about people who are suffering from poverty, regardless of who they voted for.  But what should we expect?  The only defense mechanism some of you seem to have is to endlessly strawman what "socialists" actually believe.  Nobody that I'm aware of on here has called on for Democrats to become the Party of Nowheresville, Kansas.  Just that we actually be consistent about y'know. . . . . . . taking on the corrupt elements that have been robbing the poor and middle classes of all races for decades.

Course, if I tailored my strategy to freaking Reagan Republicans maybe I would be resorting to intellectual dishonesty as often as I could too.

Why do you think my experience actually living in that environment is invalid or a strawman or whatever?

I'm really curious.

In my experience, actually growing up in that environment, those people are in their situation of their own accord. They think they're owed something, and they think it's everyone else's responsibility to make them successful. I have NO sympathy for my family, and I shouldn't be expected to. They take and take and take and they think it's justified because success never dropped into their lap, and they take it out on those around them. This is my experience. It's not some idea I created in my head. I lived the rural working class white lifestyle for years in my childhood.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

Yeah but that doesn't mean you guys can be dickheads about people who are suffering from poverty, regardless of who they voted for.  But what should we expect?  The only defense mechanism some of you seem to have is to endlessly strawman what "socialists" actually believe.  Nobody that I'm aware of on here has called on for Democrats to become the Party of Nowheresville, Kansas.  Just that we actually be consistent about y'know. . . . . . . taking on the corrupt elements that have been robbing the poor and middle classes of all races for decades.

Course, if I tailored my strategy to freaking Reagan Republicans maybe I would be resorting to intellectual dishonesty as often as I could too.

Why do you think my experience actually living in that environment is invalid or a strawman or whatever?

I'm really curious.

Off-topic, but welcome back!

[Politician]

Yeah but that doesn't mean you guys can be dickheads about people who are suffering from poverty, regardless of who they voted for.  But what should we expect?  The only defense mechanism some of you seem to have is to endlessly strawman what "socialists" actually believe.  Nobody that I'm aware of on here has called on for Democrats to become the Party of Nowheresville, Kansas.  Just that we actually be consistent about y'know. . . . . . . taking on the corrupt elements that have been robbing the poor and middle classes of all races for decades.

Course, if I tailored my strategy to freaking Reagan Republicans maybe I would be resorting to intellectual dishonesty as often as I could too.

Why do you think my experience actually living in that environment is invalid or a strawman or whatever?

I'm really curious.

In my experience, actually growing up in that environment, those people are in their situation of their own accord. They think they're owed something, and they think it's everyone else's responsibility to make them successful. I have NO sympathy for my family, and I shouldn't be expected to. They take and take and take and they think it's justified because success never dropped into their lap, and they take it out on those around them. This is my experience. It's not some idea I created in my head. I lived the rural working class white lifestyle for years in my childhood.

One example does not a generalization make.