UK General Discussion: Rishecession

[CumbrianLefty]

Slightly morbid thought. Given the typical tour typically lasts at least three months - I wonder whether Truss’ letter of last resort was ever placed on a patrolling Vanguard submarine, or whether it’ll skip straight from Johnson to Sunak…

Assuming the different subs have differently timed tours, there may very possibly be letters from all three recent PMs on varying ones soon.

[TheTide]

Walpole (first (recognised) Prime Minister and longest serving Prime Minister)
Perceval (only Prime Minister to be assassinated)
Truss (shortest serving Prime Minister)

All pub quiz answers for at least a couple of centuries, I would imagine.

[Torrain]

Slightly morbid thought. Given the typical tour typically lasts at least three months - I wonder whether Truss’ letter of last resort was ever placed on a patrolling Vanguard submarine, or whether it’ll skip straight from Johnson to Sunak…

Assuming the different subs have differently timed tours, there may very possibly be letters from all three recent PMs on varying ones soon.

There's a very bleak Armando Iannucci skit in this somewhere - where Britain is nuked, and all three subs take totally opposed actions, based on outdated orders from three different PMs.

[EastAnglianLefty]

The Truss letter in that skit no doubt contains an error meaning the captain is advised to nuke London.

[DINGO Joe]

Walpole (first (recognised) Prime Minister and longest serving Prime Minister)
Perceval (only Prime Minister to be assassinated)
Truss (shortest serving Prime Minister)

All pub quiz answers for at least a couple of centuries, I would imagine.

Braverman has a great shot at being shortest serving home secretary followed by Braverman

[brucejoel99]

Walpole (first (recognised) Prime Minister and longest serving Prime Minister)
Perceval (only Prime Minister to be assassinated)
Truss (shortest serving Prime Minister)

All pub quiz answers for at least a couple of centuries, I would imagine.

Braverman has a great shot at being shortest serving home secretary followed by Braverman

https://twitter.com/batarianhermit/status/1585044599680401411

[Torrain]

https://twitter.com/batarianhermit/status/1585044599680401411

What are you suggesting? Rishi is clearly an entirely average-sized man.

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Walpole (first (recognised) Prime Minister and longest serving Prime Minister)
Perceval (only Prime Minister to be assassinated)
Truss (shortest serving Prime Minister)

All pub quiz answers for at least a couple of centuries, I would imagine.

Braverman has a great shot at being shortest serving home secretary followed by Braverman

Grant Shapps had only 6 days.

[brucejoel99]

Cruella set the all-time record for shortest-serving Home Secretary at 43 days, only to see it smashed just 6 days later by Grant Shapps. Now, she has just 2 days left to either resign &/or get sacked again in order to reclaim her title, but given who it is that we're talking about here, she can definitely manage to pull it off!

[Blair]

Very funny when someone from the media gets appointed to a No.10 role- the whole lobby and wider media class say how it’s a ‘big hire’ and shows how ‘serious’ the new operation is.

I hadn’t heard of the person who has been hired but apparently they’re senior at ITV…

One of the most corrosive beliefs on both sides in Westminster is that simply having a ‘genius’ in charge of your communications fixes everything- you often hear certain types in Labour saying we need a return to someone like Alastair Campbell or equally those who claimed Corbyn just needed a better media adviser.

The weird thing is that even under Starmer I doubt many people outside the traditional hunting pool (the NS, the Mirror, the Guardian etc) in the lobby would ever consider working for Labour.

[CumbrianLefty]

Like you, never heard of her and I follow this sort of stuff fairly closely.

[Torrain]

The Times: Suella Braverman’s decisions led to diphtheria and scabies at migrant hub

Decisions made by Suella Braverman led directly to overcrowding and outbreaks of scabies and diphtheria at a migrant processing centre in Kent, The Times has been told.

Multiple government sources who work on asylum accommodation said she had blocked the transfer of thousands of migrants detained at a processing centre at Manston airport to hotels during her first, six-week spell as home secretary.

Home Office officials warned her that she risked breaking the law by detaining people — including an Afghan family — for periods of up to 32 days at the centre. There has been at least one report of sexual assault against a member of staff at the Manston site.

On Monday, three hotels were opened to accommodate the overflow at Manston, taking the total number of hotels in use to over 70. They were only authorised after Grant Shapps, who replaced Braverman as home secretary for six days, was informed about the overcrowding at Manston.

I have no words.

[Torrain]

And of course, there's more...
Braverman dismisses recommendations of asylum inquiry that took 2 years

Suella Braverman has refused to accept the findings of a report by cross-party MPs that found internal failings rather than a rise in migrants crossing the Channel are to blame for the breakdown of the asylum system.

The Home Affairs Committee said the government had today rejected all the recommendations it made in a damning report published in July following a two-year inquiry into the small boats crisis.

The report concluded that the government’s response to the crisis has been “characterised first by inattention and then by poor decision-making” and dismissed the previous home secretary Priti Patel’s claim that the asylum system is collapsing because of “the various strains, abuses, sheer numbers coming to this country”.

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The big issue with Braverman is she is one those politicians who believes that every day where she isn't in the news to be a personal failure - everything she does is calculated as "i hope I'm the front page of the mail and telegraph tomorrow"

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The big issue with Braverman is she is one those politicians who believes that every day where she isn't in the news to be a personal failure - everything she does is calculated as "i hope I'm the front page of the mail and telegraph tomorrow"

Well... it's a big issue with her, anyway. Very impressively she manages to have 'big issues' plural.

[MABA 2020]

So how long do we think Braverman will last now? Cos I'd say not long

[brucejoel99]

So how long do we think Braverman will last now? Cos I'd say not long

Depends on how much dirt the Sundays publish on her. If it's bad, then I guess that she's out Mon., maybe Tues. at the latest.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Out of Liz Truss, always something new. Latest is that her personal phone was hacked when she was Foreign Secretary, that it was probably by the Russians, that her phone contained a lot of sensitive information, that this was known about by the Summer of this year, that the story was suppressed on her request with the agreement of Boris Johnson and the Cabinet Secretary, Simon Case. This seems bad.

[Torrain]

Out of Liz Truss, always something new. Latest is that her personal phone was hacked when she was Foreign Secretary, that it was probably by the Russians, that her phone contained a lot of sensitive information, that this was known about by the Summer of this year, that the story was suppressed on her request with the agreement of Boris Johnson and the Cabinet Secretary, Simon Case. This seems bad.

That sounds... disconcerting. The one consolation is that neither of those PMs is currently in office - but really does make me question whether Case should really be trusted to run the civil service. If he really did cover this up, for political expediency, then surely that's a resigning matter?

Feels like the sort of thing that needs it's own inquiry.

Edit: Tobias Ellwood (Defence & Intelligence Committee Chair) is now pushing for an investigation.

[Torrain]

New details on the "Braverman has been illegally detaining migrants" story from the Times

She appears to have deliberately ignoring advice that she was acting against the law:

Suella Braverman has been accused of failing to act on legal advice that the government was illegally detaining thousands of asylum seekers. The move could cost taxpayers an expensive court action.
The home secretary received advice at least three weeks ago warning that migrants were being detained for unlawfully long periods at the Manston asylum processing centre in Ramsgate, Kent. According to five sources, Braverman, 42, was also told that the legal breach needed to be resolved urgently by rehousing the asylum seekers in alternative accommodation.

From one of the five independent Home Office sources quoted in the article:

“She was refusing to sign off on bail or pay for hotels which means she was illegally detaining people. There is no legal grounds for them to be detained. Officials have been put in an impossible position because they can’t release people without Suella releasing the money. This has been going on for more than three weeks.”

And she's not denying that the law was broken:

Last night the Home Office did not deny that the legal advice stated that the law had been broken at Manston but insisted that claims she had “deliberately ignored” it were “completely baseless”. “The home secretary has taken urgent decisions to alleviate issues at Manston and source alternative accommodation. It is right that we look at all available options so decisions can be made based on the latest operational and legal advice.”

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/thejonnyreilly/status/1586422186314711041

[Torrain]

https://mobile.twitter.com/guardian/status/1586434167717462016
Lmao. For all his many (many, many) foibles, Johnson knows an open-goal when he sees one.

[Cassius]

Surely someone in the Tory party has the number of some fellows who can mete out the same treatment to Johnson as happened to his great granddaddy.

[Torrain]

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1586648523495415810

Braverman appears have attempted to cover up and ignore the leak. It was only reported when the individual she emailed reported the security breach.

[CumbrianLefty]

Surely someone in the Tory party has the number of some fellows who can mete out the same treatment to Johnson as happened to his great granddaddy.

Or even what Johnson and his mate Darius Guppy wanted to do to a bothersome journalist