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[Purple State]

Is this something like the NRA? Is the NWA now picking sides on bills? I imagine you will be announcing which bills you will be scoring in the future.

You mean it wasn't clear where the NWA stood before?

Of course, but now they are really going to start picking and choosing. I am honestly no fan of this sort of political manipulation and will be voting on bills as I believe is a proper representation of the will of my constituents, rather than according to the will of the NWA.

[Purple State]

I am pretty sure in terms of "quality of members" the DA reins supreme. But, ya know, I'm not biased or anything. Just saying.

[Purple State]

And by the way did anyone else notice DWTL said meeted rather than met?

At this point I am used to and ignore typos on this forum (and in NWA articles), no matter how much they make me cringe.

[Purple State]

I know polling indicates as much, but can you really rate the Pacific Lt. Governor race a tossup. I have a feeling bgwah can rally more JCP members to vote on a bad day than the RPP has in the region.

[Purple State]

Hamilton, realistically there are maybe 7 votes for you in the Pacific and that is being on the more generous side. There are easily twice that many JCP votes I would say. Polling doesn't take into account about two-thirds of those voters.

Trust me, I love the effort and thing the under-dog spirit is great, but the NWA can't realistically call the race a tossup. "Leans JCP" would be the minimum rating.

[Purple State]

Hamilton, realistically there are maybe 7 votes for you in the Pacific and that is being on the more generous side. There are easily twice that many JCP votes I would say. Polling doesn't take into account about two-thirds of those voters.

Trust me, I love the effort and thing the under-dog spirit is great, but the NWA can't realistically call the race a tossup. "Leans JCP" would be the minimum rating.

You're a true joker. There's no way I get less than seven votes with expected turnout.

Whether you get 7 or 10, you can't beat 20. We will see if I am surprised, but label me a skeptic until a see it with my own eyes.

And don't take this as me not supporting your campaign. I think it's great that you're running and I am remaining decidedly out of this race. I just think realistically a paper like the NWA can't really label this a tossup. You are running against a major headwind.

[Purple State]

1)Franzl
2)Fritz
3)Marokai
4)SPC
5)Afleitch

This is assuming people in the RPP have half a brain and vote for someone capable over someone who in my mind at least has never proven themself.  Not meant to be a slight againest Rowan or the RPP, I just have'nt seen anything really on Rowan's policy and I'm worried about the RPP's machine politics.

I haven't heard any kind of machine politics.

Let's be serious here. You can't rant and rave against the JCP machine and not recognize your own party's machine organization. Blind support for your party may convince them to push for your candidacy, but it likely won't win you many elections.

[Purple State]

1)Franzl
2)Fritz
3)Marokai
4)SPC
5)Afleitch

This is assuming people in the RPP have half a brain and vote for someone capable over someone who in my mind at least has never proven themself.  Not meant to be a slight againest Rowan or the RPP, I just have'nt seen anything really on Rowan's policy and I'm worried about the RPP's machine politics.

I haven't heard any kind of machine politics.

Let's be serious here. You can't rant and rave against the JCP machine and not recognize your own party's machine organization. Blind support for your party may convince them to push for your candidacy, but it likely won't win you many elections.

Well certainly not in a national sense. Of course they must have machine politics in the Dirty South, which I am not too familiar with. I mean Duke just basically said "f it, I'm going to run" and started a campaign with one week left. That's not very machine-like.

As far as I can tell from what was said by SPC, Duke was asked to run as the RPP was considering running a third candidate. Perhaps you were not kept in the loop, but the people pulling the strings in the RPP have run it like a machine, sometimes better oiled than others.

Also, while some of the more active and independent RPP members will be voting as they wish, you can bet mass PMs will be sent to RPP zombie voters with a specific ballot to post. Just as the JCP likely does.

On a side not to SPC, the Senate race is more likely 2 JCP Hold, 1 RPP Takeover, 1 DA Hold and 1 Tossup.

[Purple State]

1)Franzl
2)Fritz
3)Marokai
4)SPC
5)Afleitch

This is assuming people in the RPP have half a brain and vote for someone capable over someone who in my mind at least has never proven themself.  Not meant to be a slight againest Rowan or the RPP, I just have'nt seen anything really on Rowan's policy and I'm worried about the RPP's machine politics.

I haven't heard any kind of machine politics.

Let's be serious here. You can't rant and rave against the JCP machine and not recognize your own party's machine organization. Blind support for your party may convince them to push for your candidacy, but it likely won't win you many elections.

Well certainly not in a national sense. Of course they must have machine politics in the Dirty South, which I am not too familiar with. I mean Duke just basically said "f it, I'm going to run" and started a campaign with one week left. That's not very machine-like.

As far as I can tell from what was said by SPC, Duke was asked to run as the RPP was considering running a third candidate. Perhaps you were not kept in the loop, but the people pulling the strings in the RPP have run it like a machine, sometimes better oiled than others.

Also, while some of the more active and independent RPP members will be voting as they wish, you can bet mass PMs will be sent to RPP zombie voters with a specific ballot to post. Just as the JCP likely does.

On a side not to SPC, the Senate race is more likely 2 JCP Hold, 1 RPP Takeover, 1 DA Hold and 1 Tossup.

You don't think DWTL himself would've ran if we were going for a third? He outperformed Duke in their respective special elections. Also, you'd think they would be giving me this "ballot list" as I'm new for the most part and haven't even voted before.

First, DWTL has already made clear he has no interest in the seat. Otherwise I think he would have been running instead of Rowan.

Second, it's a week before the election. Give it time and see what happens. With large parties like the RPP and JCP it is important for them to micro-manage votes to ensure that their candidates are as evenly split as possible, in addition to making voting for the less active machine voters as simple as possible (click link, copy/paste, post).

Also, at Duke's last post, I'm not sure if the DA actually managed to endorse anyone in either of those races. I know the Marokai vs. you was not 50% + 1, so no one was endorsed by the party, and, if anything, the DWTL vs. Fritz went to Fritz. The endorsements you mentioned were just my personal endorsements. For the record.

[Purple State]

As far as I can tell from what was said by SPC, Duke was asked to run as the RPP was considering running a third candidate. Perhaps you were not kept in the loop, but the people pulling the strings in the RPP have run it like a machine, sometimes better oiled than others.

Actually, I just suggested that we run a write-in candidate, and Duke volunteered.

But you were okay with running a third candidate. It didn't shock you and DWTL and force you to reconsider the numbers scheme. It was carefully planned. Hamilton seems to think Duke decided to buck the party and run the campaign as a maverick, which you would agree is not the case.

[Purple State]

As far as I can tell from what was said by SPC, Duke was asked to run as the RPP was considering running a third candidate. Perhaps you were not kept in the loop, but the people pulling the strings in the RPP have run it like a machine, sometimes better oiled than others.

Actually, I just suggested that we run a write-in candidate, and Duke volunteered.

But you were okay with running a third candidate. It didn't shock you and DWTL and force you to reconsider the numbers scheme. It was carefully planned. Hamilton seems to think Duke decided to buck the party and run the campaign as a maverick, which you would agree is not the case.

It really wasn't carefully planned at all. It was just thrown together one day. The numbers weren't even being decided yet(on who votes for whom, etc.)

There was more planning than Hamilton believes there to be. You also would say that the numbers are, at some point, decided. I'm not detracting from this strategy. The JCP uses them too. I'm just trying to let Hamilton know that just because he doesn't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there.

[Purple State]

As far as I can tell from what was said by SPC, Duke was asked to run as the RPP was considering running a third candidate. Perhaps you were not kept in the loop, but the people pulling the strings in the RPP have run it like a machine, sometimes better oiled than others.

Actually, I just suggested that we run a write-in candidate, and Duke volunteered.

But you were okay with running a third candidate. It didn't shock you and DWTL and force you to reconsider the numbers scheme. It was carefully planned. Hamilton seems to think Duke decided to buck the party and run the campaign as a maverick, which you would agree is not the case.

It really wasn't carefully planned at all. It was just thrown together one day. The numbers weren't even being decided yet(on who votes for whom, etc.)

There was more planning than Hamilton believes there to be. You also would say that the numbers are, at some point, decided. I'm not detracting from this strategy. The JCP uses them too. I'm just trying to let Hamilton know that just because he doesn't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there.

Of course the numbers are decided at some point. If not, there's no way we could guarantee getting at least two members in.

Wait a minute.  You guys actually sit down and DECIDE who votes for who?  And then tell the members who they are supposed to vote for?

To my knowledge, the JCP does not employ this strategy.  Yes, PMs are sent, but thats not quite the same thing.

That was what I thought both the RPP and JCP did. Otherwise you run the risk of members voting largely in support of one candidate over another. I believed the DA to be the only party that did not do that.

I get why DWTL and bgwah are sitting out on this one ( ), but is the strategic vote breakdown only done by the RPP?

[Purple State]

Purple State, you didn't seem to notice that I changed the Pacific Lt. Governor rating.

I did. I wasn't aware I needed to comment every time I agree with a rating too. I was more concerned with the lack of "DA Hold" in your Senate rankings though, so that was all I commented on.

[Purple State]

I'd say DA hold isn't a 100% sure thing at this point.  Certainly leans that way, but Duke winning spot 5 is about a 25% chance now if Franzl/Afleitch split pretty evenly

I would say Marokai and Fritz will be 1 and 2. Afleitch gets 3, Rowan/SPC gets 4, and 5 is a big up for grabs between Franzl, Rowan/SPC and Duke.

[Purple State]

I'm flattered people think I'm going to be elected, but I take nothing for granted.

It would, unfortunately, take a miracle to remove you from the Senate chamber based on the numbers.

You underestimate my ability to alienate dozens of people.

I think you might get some RPP votes.

Doubtful first preference. Just as it is unlikely that any of the RPP candidates will get top preference from a JCP member. Marokai will likely get 4th or 5th preference votes in the RPP, but in this election 1st and 2nd preferences are all that really matter.

Of course, I've been surprised before.

[Purple State]

Just as it is unlikely that any of the RPP candidates will get top preference from a JCP member.

I can almost guarantee there will be at least one instance of this, actually- gporter!

Touche.

[Purple State]

I'm flattered people think I'm going to be elected, but I take nothing for granted.

It would, unfortunately, take a miracle to remove you from the Senate chamber based on the numbers.

You underestimate my ability to alienate dozens of people.

Anything I can do to "help"?

Now now, I know you like me.

Yes but only on days of the week that don't end in "Y".

Like Sundee and Mundee?

[Purple State]

Why on earth is sewersocialist and Purple State still on the ballot despite having withdrawn? They didn't do it in time for the deadline?

Yep.

This could get very interesting, haha.

No, but seriously, if anyone first preferences I'll be mad at you.

[Purple State]

No one has told, nor will tell, me who to vote for.

vs.

1) RowanBrandon
2) SPC
3) Write in: AHDuke
4) Marokai Blue
5) afleitch
6) Franzl

Nothing wrong with it. I'm just sayin' it looks awfully close to the official RPP ballot that the other members seem to be copy/pasting from a PM.

[Purple State]

1) RowanBrandon
2) SPC
3) Write in: AHDuke
4) Marokai Blue
5) afleitch
6) Franzl

Nothing wrong with it. I'm just sayin' it looks awfully close to the official RPP ballot that the other members seem to be copy/pasting from a PM.

I haven't received such a PM.

You're ben. The RPP has no illusions that they can bend your vote. Check out FallenMorgan, azmagic, ajc, etc.

[Purple State]

1) RowanBrandon
2) SPC
3) Write in: AHDuke
4) Marokai Blue
5) afleitch
6) Franzl

Nothing wrong with it. I'm just sayin' it looks awfully close to the official RPP ballot that the other members seem to be copy/pasting from a PM.

I haven't received such a PM.

You're ben. The RPP has no illusions that they can bend your vote. Check out FallenMorgan, azmagic, ajc, etc.

Lol newbies probably copy and paste, what do you expect. Look at jewish conservative. I guarantee none of his PM him.

Copy and paste what? That's the question. Newbies wouldn't even know to turn out if it wasn't for a PM.

[Purple State]

The election tracker is still here.

Your tracker misses who receives the third seat. Although it is somewhat obvious, it should still be written there.

[Purple State]

1) RowanBrandon
2) SPC
3) Write in: AHDuke
4) Marokai Blue
5) afleitch
6) Franzl

Nothing wrong with it. I'm just sayin' it looks awfully close to the official RPP ballot that the other members seem to be copy/pasting from a PM.

I haven't received such a PM.

You're ben. The RPP has no illusions that they can bend your vote. Check out FallenMorgan, azmagic, ajc, etc.

Lol newbies probably copy and paste, what do you expect. Look at jewish conservative. I guarantee none of his PM him.

Copy and paste what? That's the question. Newbies wouldn't even know to turn out if it wasn't for a PM.

Lol yes they do. They have been PMing me asking when my election starts, and are really excited. Also, they have been popping up in threads quite often.

Alright...

SPC or DWTL, have you sent out a PM alerting your members that voting has begun and expressing what you believe their ballot should look like?

Hamilton, it's not that there is anything wrong with this strategy. What is wrong is that you seem intent on denying something to patently obvious. Otherwise, explain how the RPP ballots are all near-identical and how SPC and RowanBrandon are not splitting first preferences, but rather piling first prefs on Rowan and second prefs on SPC.

[Purple State]

1) RowanBrandon
2) SPC
3) Write in: AHDuke
4) Marokai Blue
5) afleitch
6) Franzl

Nothing wrong with it. I'm just sayin' it looks awfully close to the official RPP ballot that the other members seem to be copy/pasting from a PM.

I haven't received such a PM.

You're ben. The RPP has no illusions that they can bend your vote. Check out FallenMorgan, azmagic, ajc, etc.

Lol newbies probably copy and paste, what do you expect. Look at jewish conservative. I guarantee none of his PM him.

Copy and paste what? That's the question. Newbies wouldn't even know to turn out if it wasn't for a PM.

Lol yes they do. They have been PMing me asking when my election starts, and are really excited. Also, they have been popping up in threads quite often.

Hamilton, it's not that there is anything wrong with this strategy. What is wrong is that you seem intent on denying something to patently obvious. Otherwise, explain how the RPP ballots are all near-identical and how SPC and RowanBrandon are not splitting first preferences, but rather piling first prefs on Rowan and second prefs on SPC.

I am saying, it's easy to go in the booth and copy and paste.

It is, but that's not what happened.

[Purple State]

NWA Live Senate Election Tracker
Total:37 Quota:7 Last voter:BRTD

Round I

NE Chairman RowanBrandon	16	(FallenMorgan, Hamilton, NiK, Ronnie, ajc0918, Smid, azmagic, cinyc, dead0man, RowanBrandon, MasterJedi, filliatre, JewishConservative, floridarepub, Libertas, A-Bob)
Senator Afleitch	7	(Xahar, Jas, Hashemite, Moderate, Swedish Cheese, Verily, Andrew)
Senator Marokai Blue	6	(Maxque, Ebowed, Flyers, opebo, Marokai Blue, Eraserhead)
Senator Fritz	5	(Sewer Socialist, Sensei, dc_united, Fritz, BRTD)
Senator Franzl	2	(HappyWarrior, Frodo)
Fmr. Governor AHDuke (write-in)	1	(Ben)
Fmr. Senator SPC	0	()
GM Purple State	0	()
Sewer Socialist	0	()

RowanBrandon and Afleitch are elected, and their votes are redistributed.

Xahar's effective first preference is for Sewer socialist, not afleitch

Does that affect the outcome?

It could. Sewer didn't suspend his campaign before the deadline. Nor did I frankly, so I hope no one sticks me high up on a preference.