Poll abortion death penalty

[Antonio the Sixth]

"abortion rights" as they stand are basically reserved to rich women anyway.

This is simply statistically not true.

My bad. I was assuming that a $500 to $1000 cost (plus the direct and indirect cost of travelling sometimes across State lines) could be prohibitive for women with the lowest incomes. Of course this statistic is far from reassuring even from a pro-choice standpoint.

[Clark Kent]

Conservative, and I oppose both abortion and the death penalty.

[afleitch]

I vehemently oppose the death penalty. I support access to abortion. I see the death penalty as a moral justice matter. I see abortion as a medical procedure and I don't see how the two are comparable.

[SATW]

No to abortion, yes to death penalty.

[Higgs]

Option 2

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

"abortion rights" as they stand are basically reserved to rich women anyway.

This is simply statistically not true.

My bad. I was assuming that a $500 to $1000 cost (plus the direct and indirect cost of travelling sometimes across State lines) could be prohibitive for women with the lowest incomes. Of course this statistic is far from reassuring even from a pro-choice standpoint.

Oh, it almost certainly is prohibitive for at least some depending on what state they're in and how poor they are (I'm not sure if there are any studies on this that finesse within the general category of 'the poor'), but to go from that to 'reserved to rich women' ignores the very real, and very sobering, correlation between abortion and poverty, which--I don't think I need to point this out to you but I'm putting it out there anyway--indicates that poor women are being immensely poorly served in ways that go far beyond abortion access or lack thereof. (Incidentally, Edin and Kefalas have shown that this isn't (or wasn't ten years ago) an issue of access to contraception, and also that it certainly isn't an issue of poor women being less likely to believe that abortion is wrong.)

[nclib]

Option 3.

Partially because banning abortion would have a bigger impact as there are far more legal abortions performed, than there are people executed by the death penalty.

[Mr. Smith]

Opt. 4 by these dumb standards.

I do support death penalty under extreme circumstances however.

[Wake Me Up When The Hard Border Ends]

Pro-life, pro-death penalty (mainly for rapists/murderers and other extremely serious crimes)

[VPH]

I am liberal no abortion no death penalty

Shocked to see so many like me here.

[Sir Mohamed]

Among these options, (liberal) and no abortion/death panelty.

I'm usually pro-choice, but strongly opposed to the death panelty.

[Del Tachi]

Conservative.  Yes abortion, yes death penalty (which is the status quo).

[Antonio the Sixth]

"abortion rights" as they stand are basically reserved to rich women anyway.

This is simply statistically not true.

My bad. I was assuming that a $500 to $1000 cost (plus the direct and indirect cost of travelling sometimes across State lines) could be prohibitive for women with the lowest incomes. Of course this statistic is far from reassuring even from a pro-choice standpoint.

Oh, it almost certainly is prohibitive for at least some depending on what state they're in and how poor they are (I'm not sure if there are any studies on this that finesse within the general category of 'the poor'), but to go from that to 'reserved to rich women' ignores the very real, and very sobering, correlation between abortion and poverty, which--I don't think I need to point this out to you but I'm putting it out there anyway--indicates that poor women are being immensely poorly served in ways that go far beyond abortion access or lack thereof. (Incidentally, Edin and Kefalas have shown that this isn't (or wasn't ten years ago) an issue of access to contraception, and also that it certainly isn't an issue of poor women being less likely to believe that abortion is wrong.)

I realize that, and that's what I was trying to indicate with the last sentence.

Of course, I should have known (or rather, not forgotten) that before posting. I think the argument I was trying to make is a valid one, but it came out in the dumbest way possible. Sorry.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Kreitser and SunRage, this question isn't about what your specific position is, but rather how you would fall if you had to choose between two general "pro-life" and "not-so-pro-life" options.

[RINO Tom]

Conservative.  Yes abortion, yes death penalty (which is the status quo).

Which is exactly why it's flawed to simply equate political conservatism with "maintaining the status quo."

[Goldwater]

These results don't surprise me, considering the fact that our most strongly anti-abortion posters are also anti-death penalty, and the number of anti-abortion posters here very likely outnumbers the number of pro-death penalty posters here.

[SWE]

Neither liberal nor conservative, but pro-abortion and anti-death penalty.